“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Friend zone, sometimes it's okay

War Against Betaism

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So I see a lot of threads now and then with guys seemingly afraid to death of the friend zone. I ask, what is so bad about it? There is no way that you're going to get with every single woman that you meet, you will need some friends that are girls too. A situation I see most common is that when people fail and do end up in the friend zone they either try digging themselves out of it or completely drop that woman. You're already in it, might as well make use of it, having friends is good, isn't it? The more friends you have the more opportunities you get to meet women and it helps that she's a woman, since she sees you as a friend she might actually help you hook up with her friends. Don't avoid the friend zone, embrace it. Besides, you could use her as practice to help you refine your skills.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

Read more...

MisterMcGee

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I accept the friend zone with girls I'm not attracted to. As for the hot ones, if they just want to be friends, I decline and go on with my life.
If you're REALLY GOOD friends with the hot girl, then fine, be friends with her, but if you aren't really great buddies with her or anything, there's no point in being 'friends'. All that entitles you to are friendly hellos and some IM conversations.

If your relationship as buddies is already strong, then fine accept the offer to just be friends. Otherwise, there's no point.
 

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First off great post War Against Betaism!

MisterMcGee said:
I accept the friend zone with girls I'm not attracted to. As for the hot ones, if they just want to be friends, I decline and go on with my life.
If you're REALLY GOOD friends with the hot girl, then fine, be friends with her, but if you aren't really great buddies with her or anything, there's no point in being 'friends'. All that entitles you to are friendly hellos and some IM conversations.

If your relationship as buddies is already strong, then fine accept the offer to just be friends. Otherwise, there's no point.
Why is there no point? Let's review

If girl is hot.. then she has hot friends.
If your friends with hot girl.. then you are instantly connected to her network of hot friends
If your friendship with the girl is geniune and she ENJOYS your company.. then her friends will find you attractive

You get the point.

Once your in the network, you can practice as much as you want. Its all a numbers game man. The more women know you the BETTER. Once you get in a "circle", you can establish a strong presence and you will find more and more women attracted to you.

Now I'm talking authentic FRIENDSHIP. Not "best-friend", second-place boyfriend award friendship. Another guy on the forum posted about how a friend of his met a lot of hot women through a GAY guy. Obviously he wasn't gay, but his gay friend knew a lot of single, attractive women. Which in turn was a perfect link for him to a "pool" of untapped resources. Why not connect networks of females and thus increase your chances by increasing your social presence?

Why burn bridges? Once you start fvcking her friends, she will eventually want a piece of your pie ;)
 

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jdon23 said:
Another guy on the forum posted about how a friend of his met a lot of hot women through a GAY guy. Obviously he wasn't gay, but his gay friend knew a lot of single, attractive women.
That's funny because that was me haha
 

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What is your definition of friend zone?

Personally I have quite a few of girls I'm friends with, but there is still slight attraction/tension. We are just friends though. This is sort of like putting girls in YOUR friend zone. And like when you were once put in a friendzone with a chick (Maybe back in AFC days), you would accept it if she advanced in ANY way. You would instantly give in to her. !

So why not do this with girls you wanna be friends with instead?

To me, Friendzone sounds like you have done something to make you look stupid/weak to a girl and she would never consider dating/****ing you. She will always hold power over you. Why would you would want to be in a friendship like this?

I think the term Friendzone is largely mis understood, and used in a negative way. It IS possible to form proper friendship/connection and STILL have sexual attraction over time. It seems people see themselves in the friend zone and instantly give up with the girl. "That's it, we can just only ever be friends and I'm now an asexual being around this girl! DAMN"

Friends fvck all the time :)

friendzone just means you are putting off unnatractive vibes.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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We aren't talking about FRIENDS. We're talking about the FRIEND ZONE. Different things, people. Being in the Friend Zone entails that you are asexual, a tampon, not physical, not a sexual being, not sexually interesting, and so forth.
Everyone are 'friends' with each other as long as they know each other and enjoy their company. I met a girl and we kinda hit it off - boom, we both made a new friend. Doesn't mean I'm in the "friend zone".
Everyone who works together and socializes are "friends" with each other, but it doesn't mean you're in the friend zone of the one girl there that you are into.
"Friend Zone" is a term. And it is not a term that means "you are friends with the girl".
 

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sorta like goin up to a girl and being like ...."hey wanna be friends?" lol

MisterMcGee said:
We aren't talking about FRIENDS. We're talking about the FRIEND ZONE. Different things, people. Being in the Friend Zone entails that you are asexual, a tampon, not physical, not a sexual being, not sexually interesting, and so forth.
Everyone are 'friends' with each other as long as they know each other and enjoy their company. I met a girl and we kinda hit it off - boom, we both made a new friend. Doesn't mean I'm in the "friend zone".
Everyone who works together and socializes are "friends" with each other, but it doesn't mean you're in the friend zone of the one girl there that you are into.
"Friend Zone" is a term. And it is not a term that means "you are friends with the girl".
 

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Well I guess we all have our definition for friend zone, I just assumed it was a state where women don't see you anything more than a friend, I've never attributed it with these traits: Being in the Friend Zone entails that you are asexual, a tampon, not physical, not a sexual being, not sexually interesting, and so forth. Well we all have our definitions, the point of this topic is there is no problem have friends that are hot girls.
 

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Just don't settle for being friends just cause they have hot friends. It's an easy way to lower your expectations by saying "eh i just wanna be her friends and whatever..." and then you realize you're even "just friends" with her friends, and "just friends" with her friends' friends.

Being friends with a girl only gets you so far sexually and some girls won't really talk about one of their hot friend guys if you're too friendly and "buddy-buddy".

Don't settle for being buddies with a hot girl just cause she has hot friends. It's better to talk with her infrequently and kino her as if you were 'gaming' her when you do happen to see her. Don't lower your efforts just cause you're trying to 'network' to get her hot friends. Just be cool and mysterious and attractive. That will get you further sexually with her friends than being 'buddies' with her will get you.
 

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first gay dudes and now the embrace the friendzone? You sir have lost the war against betaism. Fix up.

I have female friends...but they were friends first and formost. If I'm interested in a girl and it doesn't work out, I can be cordial and pleasant but I don't want to be her friend. She's an aquantaince just like anyone else.
 

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I still remember what a successful player on this board told this guy (OP)

about your signature: a true man puts his woman BEHIND him.
not beside or in front.
 

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The friend zone is great if that's where you want to be with a girl. But it's not so great if you're romantically interested in a girl. I know lots of girls in this category, most of whom I don't have a romantic interest in.
 

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Warrior74 said:
first gay dudes and now the embrace the friendzone? You sir have lost the war against betaism. Fix up.
Yeah because it is so Don Juan to not have any female friends and it is manly to hate against gays...
 

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Look, its a bad idea to ignore the difference between having many female acquaintances and having girls who you're in the friend zone with.

Why have many friend-girls who wouldn't really think about having sex with you? You're wrong, dude. Unless you wanna be their guy-friend-who-may-as-well-be-gay, don't get into the friend zone on purpose.

And stop talking about 'female friends' and 'friend zone' without knowing wtf they are.


What you're TRYING to say is "it's good to know a lot of girls so you can easily meet other hot girls." This is spot on, duh. It's common sense.

DON'T mix in the words "friends" and "friend zone" into this because it has NO PLACE and makes this whole thread useless.
 

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That is part of what I was trying to get through in my post also.

Chuck these girls into YOUR friend zone, and use them for their other hot friends or whatever.

Being friend zoned by a girl = bad. You are doing somtehing wrong. Even if you dont wanna sleep with her.
 

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Why have many friend-girls who wouldn't really think about having sex with you? You're wrong, dude.
Because sex isn't the only thing I think about when meeting women?
 

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^ But it's what every woman should be thinking about you ;)
 

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If a girl is hot and she wants to be your friend, by all means be her "friend". Of course you aren't really being her friend, you're using her as a social prop. Walk into a bar with her a few of her hot friends and your job of gaming other chics is a hell of a lot easier. There's a certain social capital that comes along with having attractive female friends. You get more respect from guys, and more looks from women. Remember, you are using her, not really being her friend. And what's wrong, she didn't want to get with you even though you were a nice guy and would've treated her great. Oh well, get out of it what you can. Try and hook up with some of her cute friends. Hot girls are always being invited to parties and and all kinds of events. Get in their circle and you are there too.
 
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