"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Friend/wing - gaming your gf - what do you do?

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So this clearly is the worst thing a friend can do right? - its like the ultimate disrespect - possibly even worse than a girl cheating on you?

How do you deal with it? What would you do?

Assume you are going through a rough patch w the gf and he's exploiting the weakness....... what would you do?

How would he justify it? I take it there is a way PUA's justify this kind of thing to themselves?

This is totally
 

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When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

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The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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This is actually a fairly common occurrence, especially if one or both of them have flirtatious personalities. You all spend a lot of time together, get comfortable with each other, the girl is attractive, she gets close with your friend...

tomato said:
How would he justify it? I take it there is a way PUA's justify this kind of thing to themselves?
Is he a PUA? You said he was your wing. Are you a PUA?
Does that mean you're not exclusive with your girlfriend?
That might be one way for him to justify it (although if she is your target the right thing to do would be to back off).

What's your exact relationship with the girl?
And what exactly is he doing? Flirting with her in front of you? Contacting her on his own when you're not around? Spending time with her when you're not around? Asking her to spend time with her when you're not around? How is she responding?
Need more information.
 

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i haven't had this happen with my gf before but i've had it happen to girls i've dated. The hotter the girls the more guys they have orbiting around them including friends. if its just guys trying to hit on her i would let her handle the initial phases. I see the guys come by and just start convo's with her and if she doesn't end the convo soon, i just let her know i'm going to do my own thing get some air, smoke, grab another drink, etc. She usually ends the convo shortly after and comes back to me. I play it cool and don't mention as i don't really care.

See if its just harmless flirting where the guy tries to build attraction and interest i leave it alone, if the girl does give in, she's not worth my time and the girl usually never gives in. The only time i step in....not sure if i have yet is if its beyond reasonable like the guy just won't go away. Then i still politely go in and grab my girl by the waist and say "hey babe you alright." and smile at the guy and its usually as far as it goes.

Now if this isn't a stranger and your girl lets it get OD with a friend, that's her fault. She should have no problems drawing the line there. You shouldn't have friends that would hit on your girl either. Once your girl knows you won't stand for that crap she will be sure to make a stand next time.
 

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zekko said:
This is actually a fairly common occurrence, especially if one or both of them have flirtatious personalities. You all spend a lot of time together, get comfortable with each other, the girl is attractive, she gets close with your friend...


Is he a PUA? You said he was your wing. Are you a PUA?
Does that mean you're not exclusive with your girlfriend?
That might be one way for him to justify it (although if she is your target the right thing to do would be to back off).

What's your exact relationship with the girl?
And what exactly is he doing? Flirting with her in front of you? Contacting her on his own when you're not around? Spending time with her when you're not around? Asking her to spend time with her when you're not around? How is she responding?
Need more information.
he is an obsessive epitome of PUA of the sleaziest kind, I went out and gamed once or twice with him, I am not a PUA was just building a few skills a few times
Only would ever be exclusive with gf of course - so no that isnt a way
multiple year LTR we broke up but he started gaming her secretly before we did - now that we're broken up I know he's doing it lots - you know the whole PUA thing and to the max - everything
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Mantis Toboggan said:
How do you deal with a troll who starts 15 threads about the same girl in 5 days

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/search.php?searchid=1684516

How would he justify getting pleasure out of getting attention from strangers on the internet
Sorry - I thought a troll was someone that posts things to annoy or get a reaction? I am just trying to get answers to genuine questions which many find interesting and have asked themselves - they are not off topic since its about how you deal with women and gain attraction - no reason why we should exclude ex's from the category "women" is there! - I havent posted 15 threads
 

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I'm sure you don't want to hear this, but if you two broke up she is fair game. Also, if your buddy was really gaming her before you broke up, maybe you should think about getting some new friends.

I have to admit, having some sleazy PUA who thinks he can charm any woman would be rather annoying. He wouldn't last long as friends with me if he didn't understand boundaries.
 

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I don't ****block my friends and I sure as hell don't tolerate them doing the same to me.

zekko said:
I have to admit, having some sleazy PUA who thinks he can charm any woman would be rather annoying. He wouldn't last long as friends with me if he didn't understand boundaries.
I know a guy like that, met him for some beers a little while back and was quickly reminded why I stopped hanging out with him. He's even worse than I remembered and just had to jump in and try to "out-charm" me on a girl I was already gaming. He didn't succeed.

If anything it gave me a glimpse into how clumsy and shallow his game really is.
 
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