What was your initial motivation in becoming a pickup artist (as in dedicating time and energy researching it to get serious about it, not just natural biological desires for sex, ect.), and more importantly, how did you maintain that motivation?
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
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She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
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Great question...Evzone said:What was your initial motivation in becoming a pickup artist (as in dedicating time and energy researching it to get serious about it, not just natural biological desires for sex, ect.), and more importantly, how did you maintain that motivation?
At first I was in a six year relationship. My girl had cheated on me with my best friend and I ended up taking her back for fear that I couldn't get another girlfriend. Not only did she cheat but also got pregnant by my best friend and I had to take her to get an abortion. During that time I had a mental breakdown and re-evaluated my life. This is all prior to finding the game.
As I was re-evaluating my girl and I were constantly fighting. As you know if your girl cheats on you, you will never be able to look or feel the same about her. So I put a plan together. I was going to lose weight and start getting into the film industry since that was my dream at the time. I wanted to do this fast. I figured that if I was around models and actresses I feel secure enough to break up with my girlfriend.
After losing the weight and starting to get extra roles in films and TV shows I realized its not that easy to pick up or even socialize with the girls. At this point my arguments with my girl became to grand and I decided to end it since it was literally killing me from the inside out.
After breaking up with my x I started reading books like "How to win friends and influence people", "Think and grow rich", "The art of conversation" and a bunch of other non community self help books about becoming more social. I went on a rampage and for the next five years I put myself in high social environments on film/TV sets socializing with models, and actresses.
It was no simple task. I went through 5 rough years to find out what it is to be a natural and how to become more attractive, more social, and just an overall cool and fun guy. At the end of this social learning rampage as it happens on a tv set for the show burn notice a book fell into my lap. You guess it the book was "the game"
After the job was done I went out and bought the book. I read it just as fast as I could and absorbed all that style talked about. I was already really good with women but this book changed everything. I mean guys would get together and use tactics to pick up. I was eager to try it.
I logged on to one of the forums and ask around for wings until I found Havok the first instructor that worked for me as it happens. When we went out he started telling me about David D, RJ, Matador, LD, and all these other names that I wasn't familiar with. I mean I had only read the game afterall. I remember telling him how exciting this was for me...going out and using tactics to pick up.
After a few nights of going out I was doing way better then he was. I didnt quite open as many sets but I got laid and a handful of numbers. Havok was seriously impressed. He started asking me questions about game and what I do but I didnt even know how to answer that. I was just being me.
We continued to go out for about a week when we ran into Mystery in Miami beach since the VA Crew had just move to South Florida. After they saw me in set they invited me to a party they were going to throw but Myster told me to bring girls. So Havok and I were excited. An invited to a party from Mystery himself. How cool? Havok was way more excited then I was. I mean I was already used to being around celebs because I had been working on movie sets. By the end of the 5 years working on sets I was producing TV Shows. At one point Mystery asked me "Why arent you excited that you are around me?" and I told him "I can look at you in two ways 1. An employee (talent) 2. A friend you make your choice." Mystery chose the friend and after two weeks I was invited to live with the guys in project Miami with the VA Crew.
Im going to speed things up a little since I dont want to write a book. After living with the guys for a few years, I started working with them teaching, doing their sales, and I quickly realized I was having better results then all of them. This is when my name started getting known in the community I was laying more girls then I could handle. I was pawning them off on Mystery and the guys just to get some rest. Being in the house with guys kept me motivated but as I soon realized and questioned myself as to why I am getting better results. What am I doing differently? Why isnt Mystery doing it big? I mean I am just a normal guy.
When I started asking this question the VA Crew tried locking me down with a contract that would trade mark my name, and give all the rights to any video, audio, and written material I produce to VA for life. They called me intellectual property of VA. I didnt except that shyt and decided to move on. Thats when I opened Speer Method around 2 years ago. I Have been Speer all my life and now I needed to share the knowledge that has gotten me so much results. (BTW Speer is my real name.... Shlomo Peer = S. Peer = Speer)
Today what keeps me motivated is the techniques, theories and tactics that get my students results. I acctually feel proud, accomplished that I have and do help so many people. My girlfriend and I talk about everyday. There is nothing that makes me feel better then my students learning and getting solid results whether from the forums, through private coaching, phone consults, my products or bootcamps.
I feel as though I am helping guys avoid the pitfalls I went through. Helping you guys know their is a light and there are people like myself trying to help you see it. I set up videos to show you guys how its done. I show both infield of me, my students, lectures, and general guidance/tips.
It is my hopes that all this helps you move forward in life towards the goals you want.
Hope you realize nothing is ever out of reach!
thecurtainfalls
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Speer,
In the past I have noticed that proximity is one of the most reliable IOIs you can get - in general, if a girl was making an effort to be around me, meet me at my place, texting me during the week, etc... she was usually signalling that she was ready to be seduced. I have had big success simply grabbing my nutsack and making a move in these cases. After all, a girl exhibiting those behaviors at the very least is well into the comfort phase of seduction (given that I've projected a sexualized persona around her consistently).
My question, though, is this: what about a girl acting like that who is currently dating someone? My personal situation with one of the girls I'm currently gaming is that since we've hooked up in the past, there is definite mutual attraction, but she has this AFC boyfriend now. However, she still exhibits tons of IOIs and makes ALL the effort to call me and set up nights to meet up throughout the week for a drink, etc. This hasn't been going on for too long because I'm afraid of slipping into the "friend zone".
But I would swear, if I got the same IOIs from a girl who wasn't taken, I would be plotting my rapid escalation and getting ready to close. The situation is confusing me -- I've always maintained a sexual state around her, and we have hooked up in the past, but timing and me entering an LTR with another girl kind of kept us from ever actually fvcking. She must still know that I want her, right? And since she is making a huge effort to be around me (alone on weeknights), the attraction is probably still there on some level on her part, right? Or do you think she simply sees me as a non-threat at this point?
How would you proceed in this situation (both morally RE: attempting to get her to cheat) and game-wise (interpreting the IOIs and finding a good way to close her)? I should mention that her BF is the nerdy type, the very definition of AFC, and that she has a very social, bubbly personality that seems very incongruous to his.
Any insight is appreciated, I've found your stuff quite useful.
In the past I have noticed that proximity is one of the most reliable IOIs you can get - in general, if a girl was making an effort to be around me, meet me at my place, texting me during the week, etc... she was usually signalling that she was ready to be seduced. I have had big success simply grabbing my nutsack and making a move in these cases. After all, a girl exhibiting those behaviors at the very least is well into the comfort phase of seduction (given that I've projected a sexualized persona around her consistently).
My question, though, is this: what about a girl acting like that who is currently dating someone? My personal situation with one of the girls I'm currently gaming is that since we've hooked up in the past, there is definite mutual attraction, but she has this AFC boyfriend now. However, she still exhibits tons of IOIs and makes ALL the effort to call me and set up nights to meet up throughout the week for a drink, etc. This hasn't been going on for too long because I'm afraid of slipping into the "friend zone".
But I would swear, if I got the same IOIs from a girl who wasn't taken, I would be plotting my rapid escalation and getting ready to close. The situation is confusing me -- I've always maintained a sexual state around her, and we have hooked up in the past, but timing and me entering an LTR with another girl kind of kept us from ever actually fvcking. She must still know that I want her, right? And since she is making a huge effort to be around me (alone on weeknights), the attraction is probably still there on some level on her part, right? Or do you think she simply sees me as a non-threat at this point?
How would you proceed in this situation (both morally RE: attempting to get her to cheat) and game-wise (interpreting the IOIs and finding a good way to close her)? I should mention that her BF is the nerdy type, the very definition of AFC, and that she has a very social, bubbly personality that seems very incongruous to his.
Any insight is appreciated, I've found your stuff quite useful.
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For next time please follow the guidelines to asking questions. It is stated on page 1. Also guys this is the last day you can ask me anything so get those questions in.thecurtainfalls said:Speer,
In the past I have noticed that proximity is one of the most reliable IOIs you can get - in general, if a girl was making an effort to be around me, meet me at my place, texting me during the week, etc... she was usually signalling that she was ready to be seduced. I have had big success simply grabbing my nutsack and making a move in these cases. After all, a girl exhibiting those behaviors at the very least is well into the comfort phase of seduction (given that I've projected a sexualized persona around her consistently).
My question, though, is this: what about a girl acting like that who is currently dating someone? My personal situation with one of the girls I'm currently gaming is that since we've hooked up in the past, there is definite mutual attraction, but she has this AFC boyfriend now. However, she still exhibits tons of IOIs and makes ALL the effort to call me and set up nights to meet up throughout the week for a drink, etc. This hasn't been going on for too long because I'm afraid of slipping into the "friend zone".
But I would swear, if I got the same IOIs from a girl who wasn't taken, I would be plotting my rapid escalation and getting ready to close. The situation is confusing me -- I've always maintained a sexual state around her, and we have hooked up in the past, but timing and me entering an LTR with another girl kind of kept us from ever actually fvcking. She must still know that I want her, right? And since she is making a huge effort to be around me (alone on weeknights), the attraction is probably still there on some level on her part, right? Or do you think she simply sees me as a non-threat at this point?
How would you proceed in this situation (both morally RE: attempting to get her to cheat) and game-wise (interpreting the IOIs and finding a good way to close her)? I should mention that her BF is the nerdy type, the very definition of AFC, and that she has a very social, bubbly personality that seems very incongruous to his.
Any insight is appreciated, I've found your stuff quite useful.
1. If she decides to cheat it is not your fault in any shape, way or form. So dont feel morally obligated to keep her from doing what she wants to do.
At the end of the day we are just animals. (If you feel really strongly about her cheating, and how it would be your fault. Then do nothing but thats your prerogative)
2. You might have already fallen into the friend zone because you havent pulled the trigger yet. According to your statements she is already attracted to you.
The more direct way:
My advice is to meet at your place before drinks. Do nothing just make sure she leaves her car there and you guys go togther to get a drink. This will make her feel comfortable being in your place. Once you guys get drinks head back to your place and invite her up to see your "fish, coffee cup, whatever" Once she is up stairs go caveman.
Slow and testing way:
Next time she invites you go and chat. Sexualize the conversation from the beginning and escalate as she allows. Make sure you get her used to you touching her, roleplay, and attempt to seduce her. If she takes the bait well you know what to do.
Good Luck
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