FR: What ElStud did today.

[ready123]

Eh, this is so so, because words have never really mattered to me. And it's not really Q&A more like Q, A, then I make a statement off of what she says and we go from there.

So you discovered that subcomunication > words, which is good, because most guys don't realize that and care too much about what they say instead of how they say it. But you're sticking with the most generic kind of conversation, which is logical interview style convo, the same type of sht that every other guy on the planet who does not know how to talk to girls does. Because you got no AA and you're authentic, you get a response that's good for rapport/connection, but the convo is still not as fun as it could be. What does that subcommunicate about you? I'm asking you to look at the context of the conversation, not the words itself. Going up to a girl and firing logical questions at her that she's probably heard before.

As opposed to the million other things you could be doing during the convo, IE
- telling her a funny story
- making a funny comment and joking with her
- talking about your reality instead of asking her about hers
- talking about esoteric observations of human nature
- roleplaying
- psychoanalyzing her
- misinterpreting her comments
- teasing her (you did this, and I'm sure you felt the emotional spike you brought to the interaction)

the best analogy I can think of is, we all know looks don't make it or break it. but that doesn't mean you should wear a dress when you go out. yeah there are guys that can literally wear a dress and pull ass (there's a PUA called the Future who actually did this to fvck around), but you shouldn't be making things hard for yourself until your game is at its peak

mix it up, learn how to add the more fun kinds of conversation to your game

 

[ElStud]

So you discovered that subcomunication > words, which is good, because most guys don't realize that and care too much about what they say instead of how they say it. But you're sticking with the most generic kind of conversation, which is logical interview style convo, the same type of sht that every other guy on the planet who does not know how to talk to girls does. Because you got no AA and you're authentic, you get a response that's good for rapport/connection, but the convo is still not as fun as it could be. What does that subcommunicate about you? I'm asking you to look at the context of the conversation, not the words itself. Going up to a girl and firing logical questions at her that she's probably heard before.

As opposed to the million other things you could be doing during the convo, IE
- telling her a funny story
- making a funny comment and joking with her
- talking about your reality instead of asking her about hers
- talking about esoteric observations of human nature
- roleplaying
- psychoanalyzing her
- misinterpreting her comments
- teasing her (you did this, and I'm sure you felt the emotional spike you brought to the interaction)

the best analogy I can think of is, we all know looks don't make it or break it. but that doesn't mean you should wear a dress when you go out. yeah there are guys that can literally wear a dress and pull ass (there's a PUA called the Future who actually did this to fvck around), but you shouldn't be making things hard for yourself until your game is at its peak

mix it up, learn how to add the more fun kinds of conversation to your game

The context is logical and god knows women aren't logical. I could talk to them about Pokemon and freaking Grease and still get good reactions. All that funny sh*t and story telling is something I do naturally already. Like I said I can't remember all the convo but I usually can make girls interested and laughing.

Plus like I said it's not straight...
Question.
Answer.
Question.
Answer.

No it's...

Opener
Question
Answer
Maybe make a statement off that answer
Maybe another question or she might ask me a question.
Maybe I'll tell her my experiences(About my major or something).

And I do talk about my reality. I talk about the reason I'm approaching them from right off the bat and all that stuff.

But mostly I just be me when I go up. I don't do all that routine BS or use a certain line. I just walk up and fun with the girl. Infact, I did this today and one set I had the girl asking ME a lot of questions and responding a lot to what I was saying. In my view, game isn't hard. Being myself is not hard. Having fun with girls is not hard. Interacting with them isn't that hard.

As for most of that stuff though like roleplaying and sh*t, it just isn't me. Although roleplaying could be interesting, but I certainly wouldn't do that with a girl I'm just getting to meet. Perhaps that's something to be left for when it gets more sexual.

 

[fertileTurtle]

Exactly, no giving advice to ElStud unless you are posting field reports that are more successful than his.

That's a good rule.

 

[scribblec]

to be honest if there was any improvement then i dont think he would get flamed as much, but he was doing the same thing a year ago. no approach anxiety interview style questions number closes, but NO second date.... so how can you honestly say hes progressing?

 

[bigjohnson]

Having fun with girls is not hard. Interacting with them isn't that hard.

So you're about to get some actual dates real soon then? A few weeks should surely be plenty of time?

 

[ElStud]

So you're about to get some actual dates real soon then? A few weeks should surely be plenty of time?

sh*t doesn't matter. And actual dates? I've been on actual dates before. I go out to improve my overall game. Unfortunately during the weekends there's nowhere to sarge, cause A. Some girls go home for the weekend, especially with no school MLK day or B. If the girl doesn't live on campus, she definitely goes home.

 

[ready123]

sounds like you're good then and just need to push your comfort zone

Opener
Question
Answer
Maybe make a statement off that answer
Maybe another question or she might ask me a question.
Maybe I'll tell her my experiences(About my major or something).

AKA a real conversation. it's kinda funny to me how a lot of game just amounts to relearning how to be a normal regular human being

As for most of that stuff though like roleplaying and sh*t, it just isn't me. Although roleplaying could be interesting, but I certainly wouldn't do that with a girl I'm just getting to meet. Perhaps that's something to be left for when it gets more sexual.

I guarantee if you monitor some of your jokes and the frame through which you joke w/ her, you're already role playing naturally

 

[oakraiderz2]

This is assinine (sp?). Yea, i get the idea that Elstud can approach, which is good for him. The problem that I have is the fact that he puts on a facade that he doesnt want to have sex with girls. That his interactions are for the sake of getting to know these girls, without befriended them or pursuing any sort of relationship what so ever. Congratulating him on getting two numbers does nothing but feed his MASSIVE ego. He makes a post about how to get something better than p*ssy, when hes never had sex. He and then he makes a post to flex his ego because he can approach. He believes that if you dont approach, regardless if you have a 98% success rate, that hes better because he can aapproach. Now someone justify this sort of logic for me...ill wait. Explain to me how because he can talk to girls that he need not heed advice from people who HANG OUT WITH GIRLS CONSISTENTLY, GO ON DATES HABITUALLY AND ACTUALLY GET LAID...Elstud has been approaching girls for the last 2 years or so and hes still doing the same sh*t. He may not have approach anxiety, but he has anxiety in every other department, such as dating, making a move and knowing how to make a girl horny; HOWEVER, he says he wants to work on his overall game yet does nothing to improve in these areas. I understand we're suppose to support each other here, but that doesnt mean feed the gigantic ego of this attention *****. The day elstud gets laid ill stop hating on him (which i do justifiably so). So the f*ck we, he made an approach, that should be the case since hes been here for 5 or 6 f*ckin years. Stop being enablers for his f*ckin ego.

 

[bigjohnson]

I go out to improve my overall game.

Oh cool, so you will be regularly posting about all your experiences that got past the approach then? Or is this some use of the word overall I'm not familiar with?

i don't necessarily agree with all the hate he receives... but at the same time - i see where it's coming from... i think if he stuck to just posting approach journals, and not making the other "drama attention seeking" post - he'd be much more accepted...

I don't hate him, I want him to stop protecting himself with ego and pretending the wall he's hit isn't there. He's an attention whore who desperately wants to be respected for something, ANYTHING, but who can't figure out how to progress. On top of that his arrogance prevents him from taking good advice from 100 different people and yes, people get tired of seeing him try to give advice alternately with posting drama posts.