Smack said:
You're doing all this and you're still a virgin. Every guy I've ever met who wasn't a virgin managed to lose his without opening 'sets' and making cold approaches.
Just go to a club or a bar or something for fvcks sake.
You fail to understand for me it is not just about getting laid. If it was just about that I'd get a damn hooker. For me, I want to get experience from constantly going from meeting to closing a women. And I bet those friends couldn't cold approach for crap, so basically when they lose their social circle, they're done until they find a new one.
Exactly, no giving advice to ElStud unless you are posting field reports that are more successful than his. The only real advice on this board is from people who post what happened from their experience: icedog, ChrizZ, ElStud, etc. The rest is just people with their stupid philosophical opinions.
First off let me say what is the constistant problem with people giving advice; they CAN'T accept that they're advice just doesn't work for some peoples styles. Then there are people who give advice when they have no idea what the f*ck they're talking about.
I don't see what the issue is. He got 2 numbers, which is an obvious improvement. Now, those numbers can be used to get dates. What's the problem? This is great news.
Haha, funny you act like these are my first 2 numbers ever. Look at my threads back in early 2008 to find my first successful number close.
I read a lot of what El posts... and sometimes i understand where people are coming from with their "anger" towards him...
his PROS: he seems to have NO approach anxiety; which even seasoned veterans still have. he also keeps the conversations flowing and seems to know how to close.
his CONS: his interactions are relatively boring (interview style), he doesn't seem to escalate well past the approach, (<-- both of these are game problems --- but these are why some people don't like him on the board -->) he doesn't seem to listen to what people tell him about his interactions needing different elements, he sometimes makes these attention seeking posts about how he's going to give up because he's not getting past stages of courting < and people give him advice in these threads and he seems to ignore it or blow it off while blindly following his own ideas that he presented in the OT...
i don't necessarily agree with all the hate he receives... but at the same time - i see where it's coming from... i think if he stuck to just posting approach journals, and not making the other "drama attention seeking" post - he'd be much more accepted...
Interactions are not all about words my man, you can talk all the stuff you want about my game being "interview" style, but the so called interview style consistantly gets me numbers and interest and girls giving me interview style back(Asking "MY name" and "MY major"). And yeah man, about the rest of the post, you seem to know damn everything so I'm not here to tell you otherwise, even if what you think isn't true. I'm not here to defend myself or change know-it-alls.
- open and game the girl for as long as possible WITHOUT tryign to do any kind of # close. see if you can get her to walk somewhere with you. if you can do that, you can venue change
Good good advice man, I've actually been trying to practice "moving" a girl around, but I haven't been able to successfully do it off a cold approach. However, I was able to do it on a day 2. I'm definitely gonna practice that though.
- try opening a set without running Q&A style conversation. talk about something related to you, your day, how you feel, whatever, and see if your reality is strong enough to pull the girl into it. it's a better way to gauge how good your subcommunication really is
Eh, this is so so, because words have never really mattered to me. And it's not really Q&A more like Q, A, then I make a statement off of what she says and we go from there.
El stud GOES into sets just looking for a number. He wants to prove to himself that he can talk to women. ***THIS IS HIS GOAL WITH WOMEN***..
Hate to say, but you're wrong here. My goals are much bigger than that. Why do you think I talk to so many women and don't number close all of them? Exactly. My goal is more having fun with the girl and not really giving a f*ck. If I have fun with her and think we should hang out, I ask for the number. "Prove myself" to whom do I need to prove myself? Well, it's your opinion even though it's not true.
