nicksaiz65
Master Don Juan
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What’s up guys. Posting a report from two back-to-back sessions.
The first night came after a pretty rough day.
Life honestly kicked my ass earlier. I had to use most of the evening to finish up tax mailing stuff, and by the time I was done I was completely wiped. I took a nap and woke up at 12:30 AM.
At that point it would have been very easy to just stay in: I usually try to get out by 10:30 on weekends if possible, even earlier (think 7-9) on weekdays, but I decided I was still going to go out and do at least one approach.
Both sessions were fully solo.
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4/17
First set – Street open
Opened a two-set on the street right away. Got hit with “I have a boyfriend.” Quick rejection, but a good warm-up rep.
Main set – Rooftop bar
Went up to the rooftop bar after that.
Pretty quickly, a girl came up to me and started dancing on me. We got into a conversation and she was very flirty and very physical. She was touching my chest when making points, and I had my arm around her.
She was there with her friend, and I made sure to engage both of them so I wouldn’t ignore the friend and create resistance later.
At one point she bought a round of shots for all three of us. That stood out. Strong investment.
She mentioned she had to be up early for work, and when I offered to buy a shot later she declined for that reason. I usually don’t buy girls drinks because it’s too easy to get burned, but I considered this an exception since she bought a round first.
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Key moment (missed opportunity)
At one point her friend went to the bathroom.
So now it was:
• instant isolation
• high investment
• strong physicality
• clear green light
This was the moment to move things forward. Looking back, I should have gone for the kiss right then and there.
Instead, I stayed in my head thinking:
“This is going really well. I’ll keep vibing, then pull, then escalate. No need to rush.”
I was assuming the pull would be there later. That was the mistake. I treated present compliance like a guarantee of future compliance.
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Attempted pull
Later in the interaction, the bar was shutting down so I went for the pull and invited her back to mine for drinks.
At that point:
• her friend was back
• the bar was closing
• she was getting ready to leave
I ran into:
“I have to be up early for work.”
I tried to push a bit with:
“Come for one drink, it’ll be quick, I don’t want the night to end yet.”
Couldn’t get past the objection and ended up taking the number. No dice on setting a date for the next day.
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Analysis
This was a strong set:
• she approached first (IOI)
• immediate physicality
• high investment
• good group handling
• clear compliance
Attraction was not the issue. The issue was timing.
There was a clear window where:
• the interaction was hot
• isolation was there
• momentum was high
I didn’t act in that window.
Theory:
Attraction and momentum in nightlife are not stable. They are perishable. The interaction you have right now is the only real one. Once you delay, you are gambling that the same conditions will still be there later.
In this case they weren’t.
By the time I went for the pull, the window had closed and the environment had changed. Now it was not just me and her. It was her, her friend, the end of the night, and the reality of work in the morning. The logistical friction multiplied.
So instead of acting during a high-momentum window, I tried to close after the window had collapsed.
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4/18 – Higher volume, same pattern
Went out again the next night (Friday) and got in much higher volume. Mixed in both street and venue game.
Had a few instant blowouts early. Standard warm-up.
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Cali girl – receptive set, missed movement
Opened a two-set at the bar. The girl was receptive right away with strong eye contact and good engagement. I made sure to introduce physicality as well.
Her friend was actually very friendly and positive toward me. No signs of resistance or ****blocking. The set felt open and easy to work with.
At one point the friend mentioned they were going upstairs and ended up leaving.
Looking back, this was an opportunity to move with them instead of letting the set end.
Something as simple as:
“Perfect, I was heading up there too. Mind if I join you?”
Another example of not leading the interaction forward when the opportunity was there. It seems very obvious in hindsight but somehow these things don’t occur to you in the moment lol.
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Bar set – chaotic but still somewhat compliant
I ended up switching venues. Opened a girl at the bar from Chicago who immediately started talking about cheating on her husband. Definitely a chaotic interaction.
Despite that, I was still able to:
• lead her to the patio
• hold her hand
• keep the interaction going
So even in a messy set, there was compliance and movement.
I went for the pull but couldn’t get her to come back.
Good reminder that not all receptive sets are high quality, even if they move.
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End of night – mixed signals
Had a street interaction where a girl mentioned going back to her place for a beer.
I initially walked away, when I noticed she was playing games, then she chased me down.
Once I re-engaged, she was inconsistent and not grounded. I even pulled up Uber, but she wouldn’t commit. Felt more like she was playing around than actually down to move. Next.
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Pattern
There are multiple moments where:
• the interaction is going well
• there is compliance
• movement is possible
But if I don’t act in that moment, it either:
• fizzles
• gets pulled away by friends
• or turns into logistical resistance
Examples:
• “I can’t leave my friends”
• “I have work early”
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Takeaways
• Going out even after a rough day is a win. Momentum matters more than perfect conditions.
• I need to lead and isolate more assertively when opportunities to move the interaction forward appear.
• Do not assume the pull will be there later. If the moment is there, move immediately.
• If a set is going to die anyway, it’s better to push it forward than let it fade out.
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Session summary
Two nights, both solo.
First night had one strong set with a missed window.
Second night had higher volume and reinforced the same pattern across multiple interactions.
I skipped Saturday to rest after feeling a bit under the weather. Nothing major, but it was raining too, and it’s not worth it to risk being sick a week for a 2 hr session. Sessions resume on Monday, I should be close to if not completely well by that point.
The first night came after a pretty rough day.
Life honestly kicked my ass earlier. I had to use most of the evening to finish up tax mailing stuff, and by the time I was done I was completely wiped. I took a nap and woke up at 12:30 AM.
At that point it would have been very easy to just stay in: I usually try to get out by 10:30 on weekends if possible, even earlier (think 7-9) on weekdays, but I decided I was still going to go out and do at least one approach.
Both sessions were fully solo.
⸻
4/17
First set – Street open
Opened a two-set on the street right away. Got hit with “I have a boyfriend.” Quick rejection, but a good warm-up rep.
Main set – Rooftop bar
Went up to the rooftop bar after that.
Pretty quickly, a girl came up to me and started dancing on me. We got into a conversation and she was very flirty and very physical. She was touching my chest when making points, and I had my arm around her.
She was there with her friend, and I made sure to engage both of them so I wouldn’t ignore the friend and create resistance later.
At one point she bought a round of shots for all three of us. That stood out. Strong investment.
She mentioned she had to be up early for work, and when I offered to buy a shot later she declined for that reason. I usually don’t buy girls drinks because it’s too easy to get burned, but I considered this an exception since she bought a round first.
⸻
Key moment (missed opportunity)
At one point her friend went to the bathroom.
So now it was:
• instant isolation
• high investment
• strong physicality
• clear green light
This was the moment to move things forward. Looking back, I should have gone for the kiss right then and there.
Instead, I stayed in my head thinking:
“This is going really well. I’ll keep vibing, then pull, then escalate. No need to rush.”
I was assuming the pull would be there later. That was the mistake. I treated present compliance like a guarantee of future compliance.
⸻
Attempted pull
Later in the interaction, the bar was shutting down so I went for the pull and invited her back to mine for drinks.
At that point:
• her friend was back
• the bar was closing
• she was getting ready to leave
I ran into:
“I have to be up early for work.”
I tried to push a bit with:
“Come for one drink, it’ll be quick, I don’t want the night to end yet.”
Couldn’t get past the objection and ended up taking the number. No dice on setting a date for the next day.
⸻
Analysis
This was a strong set:
• she approached first (IOI)
• immediate physicality
• high investment
• good group handling
• clear compliance
Attraction was not the issue. The issue was timing.
There was a clear window where:
• the interaction was hot
• isolation was there
• momentum was high
I didn’t act in that window.
Theory:
Attraction and momentum in nightlife are not stable. They are perishable. The interaction you have right now is the only real one. Once you delay, you are gambling that the same conditions will still be there later.
In this case they weren’t.
By the time I went for the pull, the window had closed and the environment had changed. Now it was not just me and her. It was her, her friend, the end of the night, and the reality of work in the morning. The logistical friction multiplied.
So instead of acting during a high-momentum window, I tried to close after the window had collapsed.
⸻
4/18 – Higher volume, same pattern
Went out again the next night (Friday) and got in much higher volume. Mixed in both street and venue game.
Had a few instant blowouts early. Standard warm-up.
⸻
Cali girl – receptive set, missed movement
Opened a two-set at the bar. The girl was receptive right away with strong eye contact and good engagement. I made sure to introduce physicality as well.
Her friend was actually very friendly and positive toward me. No signs of resistance or ****blocking. The set felt open and easy to work with.
At one point the friend mentioned they were going upstairs and ended up leaving.
Looking back, this was an opportunity to move with them instead of letting the set end.
Something as simple as:
“Perfect, I was heading up there too. Mind if I join you?”
Another example of not leading the interaction forward when the opportunity was there. It seems very obvious in hindsight but somehow these things don’t occur to you in the moment lol.
⸻
Bar set – chaotic but still somewhat compliant
I ended up switching venues. Opened a girl at the bar from Chicago who immediately started talking about cheating on her husband. Definitely a chaotic interaction.
Despite that, I was still able to:
• lead her to the patio
• hold her hand
• keep the interaction going
So even in a messy set, there was compliance and movement.
I went for the pull but couldn’t get her to come back.
Good reminder that not all receptive sets are high quality, even if they move.
⸻
End of night – mixed signals
Had a street interaction where a girl mentioned going back to her place for a beer.
I initially walked away, when I noticed she was playing games, then she chased me down.
Once I re-engaged, she was inconsistent and not grounded. I even pulled up Uber, but she wouldn’t commit. Felt more like she was playing around than actually down to move. Next.
⸻
Pattern
There are multiple moments where:
• the interaction is going well
• there is compliance
• movement is possible
But if I don’t act in that moment, it either:
• fizzles
• gets pulled away by friends
• or turns into logistical resistance
Examples:
• “I can’t leave my friends”
• “I have work early”
⸻
Takeaways
• Going out even after a rough day is a win. Momentum matters more than perfect conditions.
• I need to lead and isolate more assertively when opportunities to move the interaction forward appear.
• Do not assume the pull will be there later. If the moment is there, move immediately.
• If a set is going to die anyway, it’s better to push it forward than let it fade out.
⸻
Session summary
Two nights, both solo.
First night had one strong set with a missed window.
Second night had higher volume and reinforced the same pattern across multiple interactions.
I skipped Saturday to rest after feeling a bit under the weather. Nothing major, but it was raining too, and it’s not worth it to risk being sick a week for a 2 hr session. Sessions resume on Monday, I should be close to if not completely well by that point.
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