FR: THIS is how you AMOG

[Kineti[C]harm]

Originally posted by xblitz44x
Don't get me wrong, congrats on pretending to be a courteous person, then turning around and ignoring them just to inflate your own ego...but if you actually BE a courteous person, and learn to be nice to EVERYBODY (and not just people that you want to have sex with), you'll see that you don't NEED to study and learn shyt to survive simple social situations.

Idiot. Nomatter if you do it to everyone or specific targets it's still done FOR A REASON. It's human nature. Some people are naturally friendly to EVERYONE because that's HOW THEY ARE (The reason being their personality). JT did it to get to the girl. If he had just been a NICE GUY that was friendly to everyone he most likely would have responded to the guys trying to engage him in the conversation but because JT KNOWS what is going on he knew he should ignore them and block them out.

If he had taken their bait/engaged them he would have broken/halted the connection he was building with the target. No THIS IS NOT ASF/TECHIE TALK. I'm a natural myself and I KNOW when I'm getting a girl hornier and hornier or more and more interested and IF YOU BREAK THAT at the wrong moment it FVCKS IT UP.

 

[JT47319]

Originally posted by xblitz44x
Don't get me wrong, congrats on pretending to be a courteous person, then turning around and ignoring them just to inflate your own ego...but if you actually BE a courteous person, and learn to be nice to EVERYBODY (and not just people that you want to have sex with), you'll see that you don't NEED to study and learn shyt to survive simple social situations.

A) I did it to get the girl. Not inflate my ego. That came as a secondary effect.

B) Why do I give a fuck about actually being nice to everybody? The Game is an Extreme Competitive Sport. It is not happy-happy-joy-joy land where everyone holds hands. YOU ARE IN A COMPETITION. I can respect and learn from my opponents, but it doesn't mean I have to like them or befriend them. If I make some new non-romantic friends, that's fine, but it is an otherwise secondary concern during SARGING. Normal social settings are different than a sarge environment.

 

[xblitz44x]

"If he had taken their bait/engaged them he would have broken/halted the connection he was building with the target. No THIS IS NOT ASF/TECHIE TALK. I'm a natural myself and I KNOW when I'm getting a girl hornier and hornier or more and more interested and IF YOU BREAK THAT at the wrong moment it FVCKS IT UP."

First of all, he even admitted that she wasn't into him, so-much for that amazing connection that he was 'building'. Second, if she likes him and WAS into him she will make it easy for him. and would have waited for him to chat here and there with the guys.

I guess my question is why does this have to be such a science project? He chatted with the guys, chatted with the girl, found out she didn't like him and that was that. Maybe next time he can chat with the guys, chat with the girl, and she WILL like him. Then he can chat with the guys some more, chat with the girl a little more and he'll know that she's not going anywhere because she WANTS to be there with him.

I think a lot of this issue stems from your worry that the girl is going to get up and leave you, so you can't 'let her go' for a second while you talk to somebody else because you're too worried that she doesn't like you enough to stick around.

Relax. Have fun with it.

 

[JT47319]

Originally posted by xblitz44x
He chatted with the guys, chatted with the girl, found out she didn't like him and that was that.

No, she liked me, she just wasn't giving ONE NIGHT STAND signs since she was leaving the next day. We could easily have done a Day2 and whatnot, but the sexual state (ie I want to get laid TONIGHT before I leave LA) wasn't there as well as the poor timeframe.

 

[xblitz44x]

"B) Why do I give a **** about actually being nice to everybody? The Game is an Extreme Competitive Sport. It is not happy-happy-joy-joy land where everyone holds hands. YOU ARE IN A COMPETITION. I can respect and learn from my opponents, but it doesn't mean I have to like them or befriend them. If I make some new non-romantic friends, that's fine, but it is an otherwise secondary concern during SARGING."

haha, dude relax. There are no contracts here. Take off the helmet and pads for a second. Your opponents? Do you really think these people think that about you? People go to bars to relax, to socialize, to have fun, maybe to find a girl...maybe not. But I can guarantee that they aren't seeing a night out at a bar as "Extreme Competitive Sport". Jesus.

Try an experiment for me. Go out and just socialize. Talk to people, chat them up. Just go out there and do your thing, drink a little bit. When see a girl you like, and she makes eye contact with you, introduce yourself and have a conversation wtih her. If she's in a group, get to know people. Don't be so concerned with "losing a target" or isolating or any of that bullshyt, just for a few times. Just go in there with no expectations and just be friendly. If you do this a few times I promise you that you will end up with the same results.

A girl is attracted to you because she is. Whether you are in this "Any Given Sunday" gladiator competitive science-project mode, or socializing mode, the same girls will be attracted to you. I promise you that. And you'll see. You are ONLY fvcking yourself up when you're living this dillusion thinking that your "Extreme Gaming" is what's getting you laid.

Just try it. For one night. Post exactly what happened. If you're willing to go through ALLLLLL of that ASF bullshyt to test things out, you can at least do NOTHING but be YOU for night and test that out.

Just approach people, be friendly, as if you were talkign to a good guy friend or just a friend who is a girl. Post what happens.

 

[JT47319]

Originally posted by xblitz44x

A girl is attracted to you because she is. Whether you are in this "Any Given Sunday" gladiator competitive science-project mode, or socializing mode, the same girls will be attracted to you. I promise you that. And you'll see. You are ONLY fvcking yourself up when you're living this dillusion thinking that your "Extreme Gaming" is what's getting you laid.

Actually what you are advocating is relinquishing the attraction process to the WOMAN. You are giving the WOMAN all the power to make and decide who she wants to be with. This is PASSIVE and INACTIVE.

YOU are letting HER decide whether or not SHE likes you based primarily on looks and only a little on personality.

The ACTIVE, AGGRESSIVE path is for the MAN to be the SELECTOR or at least a partner in the attraction process. You approach the girl. You MAKE her evaluate you based somewhat on looks, but primarily on INTERACTION, PERSONALITY and ENERGY.

Attraction can be CREATED by BEING and CONVEYING that you do have a cool, fun personality not just because a "girl is attracted to you just because..."

 

[xblitz44x]

"YOU are letting HER decide whether or not SHE likes you based primarily on looks and only a little on personality."

Why only a little on personality? You can talk to her and show her your personality all you want. Why does it have to be procedure full of stories and scripts to prove that you have a fun personality? Do *you* not believe that you're fun enough for her to like you? Is that why you have to recite things that "attractive naturals say"? If so, that is the root of your entire problem.

"Attraction can be CREATED by BEING and CONVEYING that you do have a cool, fun personality not just because a "girl is attracted to you just because...""

Hmmm, so if a boney skinny woman, with a sub-par face, man hands, and very short hair walks up to you, she will be able to convey to you that she is cool, and has a fun personality...therefore you will sleep with her? That's pretty amazing.

-Blitz

 

[-HPNOTIQ-]

Originally posted by xblitz44x

Lets state the facts here: You were nice to the guys, and began talking to the girl. That's all that you have to do. That's it. I just can't figure out why there has to be all of this techie language and procedure to do something as simple as talk to guys and girls in the group.

And the girl, she liked you. Or at least was not sickened or embarrased by you. If she was, she would have made a fool out of you and those "Alpha Male" tactics would have blew up in your face.

I've been reading JT's and Blitz' posting on this BB for the past year now and both have always had very good feedback regarding DJism.

I enjoyed reading and learning from JT's AMOG FR thread regarding how to deal with 'c*ckblockers'. Yea, it was a bit technical, but, sometimes people have to describe things in depth to convey their message - nothing wrong with that.

However, the past couple of months I've started think about a post Blitz wrote 7-8 months ago regarding attraction/interest level (some story about how he went to vegas and met some chica). The main point of attraction is that regardless of what tactics, tricks, snares, or patterns you use - if the girl has low to no interest level, there is basically nothing you can do.

I have to agree with Blitz comments on IL. In JT's FR, it was obvious the chick has mod to high IL. All JT needs to do is not say anything insulting or stupid, and he's got an easy PU. Regardless of who is trying to c*ckblock...if the girl's IL is high enough in you..it doesnt matter who gets in her way...she'll find her way to you.

I took a step back from DJing a couple months ago..dropped the patterns, dropped the techniques, dropped the extracurricular activities and made this stuff bare bones.

SMILE...DON'T SAY ANYTHING STUPID...and BE CONFIDENT.

My results with women are as high with or without the SS patterns, KINO, phasing..etc. Sure, these things may help to increase the interest in a moderately interested woman..but..the interest is already there. If the chick doesn't like you...no amount to DJing will help - regardless if she's an HB10 or a doggish -5.

Bottom line...whatever works for you..keep usng it. But, it would be an interesting experiment for a DJ, who's moves seem so calculated, to go into a bar/club to be relaxed, fun, and unscripted. I'm sure you'd get the same results with women.

 

[aBAzLLnA]

Good stuff rolling around here. In essence there are two schools of thought in this post. The analyical scientific approach, versus the laid back go with the flow approach.

I must admit, I am with blitz on this one, and it has never failed me. Socializing with everyone in the group works wonders, not only does it gain you friends, but it also gives the females the impression you are excellent.

In the "48 Rules of Power", it would advocate backstabbing in order to get the female, but why would you degrade a fellow male to just get a female? Bro's before hoe's, no?

The whole damn site put into a few words would be:

SMILE...DON'T SAY ANYTHING STUPID...and BE CONFIDENT.

~ivan

 

[Oxide]

and then GRAB the girl and ROTATE her like a child. Have her hands and legs between mine. If she tried to turn her head, grab her chin and rotate it to you.

..and if she tried to look at him again, slap her across the face and scream "B1TCH, LOOK AT ME! IGNORE HIM!!"

yeah, take the control in your hands JT



God, blitz, remember when we had to worry about all the rules and bullsh1t when we'd meet women? How easy is it to just fvcking ENJOY yourself and other people.. i'll never go back to all that crap.

 

[chicksrock]

Very smart work JT ..
inspirational stuff
Given me lots of great ideas !