"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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FR: Solo bar excursion [critiques welcome]

Effington

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Precursor: I went to a barbeque at a friend's place, had a lot of fun. As things died down we all parted ways, at that point it was around 11:00pm or so. Anyway, I hopped on the train to get my butt home, and between the train stop and my home there are a bunch of bars. I had about 7 drinks in me so far, I wasn't really buzzin' but not dead sober either. Maybe it could be fun.

As I walked in my "home" bar, instant karma got me. A group from the barbeque earlier went to a downtown club, but I opted not to join because I was in shorts and a sports jersey, and the club had a dress code. Karma got me, because as I walked in, I got a ton of praises for my attire. I was wearing the jersey of a no-name 3rd string halfback on the Bears that I went to college with, and lo-and-behold, 5 of his high-school football teammates were there! They all instantly approached me and it was instant social status. We talked for a few minutes, it was all good times.

I wandered to the other side of the bar a minute later. Since I'm really short, I busted the balls of another really short dude, something along the lines of, hey I'm the token short dude. He was really cool, and he bought me a drink. Pretty cool guy.

I approach a group of 4 (2 guys, 2 [hot] girls) and tell them my spiel; I'm very ticked that they just stopped serving my favorite drink [true]. I ask them if they've heard of it and ask them to request it because if employees see demand, they'll bring it back. A good couple minutes of dialogue, but besides getting their names, nothing else comes of it.

I then talk to random guy at bar about the Bears, I ask him first if he's a Bears fan, then ask him who the best player is. [Hot topic in Chicago due to the Devin Hester holdout.] We talk for awhile about Brian Urlacher vs. Devin Hester, then a few other players. I realize he's really, really drunk, so try to find my way out, but at least I could listen to him while scoping the scene.

I go find short guy and thank him for the drink, ask what it was, since I couldn't hear it originally. He's with a decent group of 2 other guys and 2 really cute girls. He's really cool and the girls are awesome, I take like 4 pictures with the ladies. Then a cheesy song comes on, I admit I love it and the other girl was like, it's my favorite song. [Theme to "Cheers"] I give my spiel about how that place is my Cheers because I know all the employees, almost like we have a connection. Overall that group was really fun, but after about 10 minutes we had like an awkward silence, and I felt like I was extending my welcome with random group, so left for greener pastures.

Went to other side of bar and chatted with bartenders for a minute. Two hotties come up and wait for bartender. I say something like, stop dancing this song is banned ["Superman", in a predominately white bar led to too many dancing-related injuries]. They laughed, we got to talking, I think about drinks. The drink the dude bought me was whiskey and ginger ale, which I had never had before. Anyway then I got the bartender to give them a new "bartender special" meaning he just mixed some shiznit together. We chatted for a few minutes but I was not feeling it, so before things turned sour I moved on.

I talked to two other girls at a different part of the bar, with the same opener about them stopping my favorite drink. They seemed to be in a good mood but did not ask the bartender for it, as I suggested. I gave them a hard time for it then moved on. Went to the front of the bar and chilled for a minute, but at that point was a bit tired/tipsy and was time for bed.

As I type this I am just returning home but would like some initial thoughts. I'm thinking the group that the guy was with [who bought me a drink] were very cool, I was getting a ton of "IOI's". However the two girls with 4-5 guys was a bit of a turn-off, and even though they were fun for the time, I felt like I had extended my welcome.

Thoughts to improve? I ended the night with zero numbers, but I did have a lot of fun. However, end result is I will likely never see any of those people again, or at least, remember them.
 

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You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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MikeYikes122

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I liked your line about "Superman" - I'm assuming the Eminem song? Too many white guys dancing to it and getting injured? That is pretty funny.

If I were you, I would have spent more time with the girl-only sets you approached but if you weren't feeling it, then it's best you moved on. In that situation what I would have done is approached more random sets of girls with that Superman opener. That is hilarious.

As for the groups where the guys outnumbered the girls, I wouldn't waste much time with them. I usually don't approach groups with more guys than girls or an even number of the two. It's just kind of a waste of time. The only time I will is if I'm getting IOIs from a girl in the set, or if I'm just bored and feel like talking to some random people to make myself more comfortable or get some social proof.

I'm assuming this is one of your first nights out alone. I do it occasionally as well, and it can be tough to pull off. Personally, I have the most success when I'm with a wingman. My club/bar game is usually about an A-, but if I'm alone I go down to about a C+/B-. I just need someone to pivot off of, like a wingman or a group of people I've met at the bar.

You should try some number closes next time.
 

Effington

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Thanks man, I appreciate the comments. You're right in that I only rarely go out solo. I probably could have opened up more sets but it wasn't that big of a bar and a little concerned that I was opening in the same location multiple times. Either way it was fun, next time I'll have to escalate more and see what happens.
 

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Hey man. I think you did good with the set of guys, what I would've done (not sure if you did this) is ask how the girls were associated with the guys. Maybe they're all coworkers or friends. Either way, if they are taken all is not lost because you're getting massive social proof from this and it will help you to meet a set of girls and merge sets. This is useful if there was a HB in the group of males because now the new girls that you've merged can entertain the guys while you work on your target.
If theres not target in the group you can still use the social proof to open sets. You'll notice they are much easier to open if they have already noticed you're a social guy.
One final thing, this feeling of overstaying your welcome is something that happens to all beginners, it is a because you are being selfconcious. If you're fun and are engaging the group and being interesting, you will not be that guy who they regret meeting.
In any case if you do become that guy, you will get clear signs that you're not welcome anymore. Like if they start making plans for later and they dont invite you, or if you get signs that you're being outcasted.
 
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