AlwaysExcel
Senior Don Juan
Note: I'm not robotic like my report reads. I put it in note form to keep it from being longer than it already is.
Scenario: A bangin’ outdoor rave
My goal: Since the girl I was going to take, flaked on me, I planned to have some fun dancing, then work on my seduction skills, and fvck a little hottie under the full moon. Aroooooooo!
Me: Dressed very flamboyantly in clothes I made
Her: HB7.5 who I met through an acquaintance. Mostly down to earth girl who came off a tad insecure (had that hot nerdy look too boot) so I didn’t use much C&F on her. She was VERY logical though, which was different than most chicks.
My game was to establish rapport and then isolate. Lately, I’ve been getting more IOI’s from girls when I focus on rapport than when I focus on C&F. (Although a couple of these girls had BF's so maybe my experience is skewed)
-Talked to her for about 3 hours while sitting in two patio chairs.
-She mentioned at the beginning of the convo how tired she was from her 5 hour journey to the party. She yawned throughout the encounter. I didn’t take it as a negative response to me but I should’ve bailed because her energy was too low. I stayed because of the challenge though.
-I did bring her energy up and got lots of IOI’s--turning her entire body toward me in the chair, playing with her hair, asking me about myself, consistently bringing up her single status and how she dates younger guys (she is 4 years older than me)
--Social proof: Mad social proof from my many friends and acquaintances coming up and complimenting me. Also from strangers complimenting my clothes. I felt like a king on a throne with folks paying homage. LOL!
–Isolation: Told her that I needed to hit the porta pottie and invited her to walk around the party with me. Got back to my camp and found people there. CURSES! Walked around some more and improvised. Dragged my air mattress away from tent to “gaze at the moon.”
--Patterns: Tried some improvised connection patterns. Like usual, they got an indifferent response, even though my delivery was the most genuine this time. I think I’ll drop them as I’m able to establish rapport without them and they may come off as cheesy.
--Kino: she never kinoed me back or responded in any way to the kino during this entire encounter. Her BL was closed as we walked around.
–Phone interruption: just as she get settled onto the mattress, she answers her cell! She talked and laughed on it for 15 minutes. I used this time to get up to get condoms I forgot in my tent. She whispers an apology after I came back (prolly worried that I left) but keeps talking. I start playing with her hands and feet but she doesn’t respond. I then lay back and start snoring but she doesn’t respond. I then just lay there.
--After phone call, her BL remained closed and she never maintained my gaze, so I never went in for a kiss. She ended up laying back and talking about how tired she was. I told her that she should go pass out in her car if she was just going to talk about being tired. She didn’t leave but mentioned passing out on my super comfy mattress and I gave some C&F responses (Hadn’t even used C&F directly toward her until now b/c getting enough IOI’s through convo).
–I told her I was going back to the party and that she couldn’t sleep on my mattress. She ended up following me around the party for a couple hours and even dancing with her tired azz.
–Jealousy. When I left her on the dancefloor to talk to this girl I knew, HB7.5 came up and started trying to get my attention back. It was so late in the morning that I gave up on fvcking her. I just walked around with her and talked to people I knew.
–Close: She number closed me but it wasn’t a victory to me b/c she was driving 5 hours away and then sometime this month she was going back to France for another year. Whatever.
Ok so the experience sucked because I could’ve fvcked one of the many other LOCAL hotties at the party but I wasted the night on her. Next time, I’m going to shorten the process and regard low energy as a red flag (I feel that I almost overcame it though and should be able to ).
The experience was cool because I stayed objective and thought on my feet about the seduction but I was able to stay relaxed and maintain the convo fairly naturally. I was attracted enough to try to seduce her but not nervously attracted. I felt detached like I was conducting an experiment but at the same time actively interested.
My convo skills have drastically improved. I focused on emotions, descriptions, stories, and absurd what ifs. I could see her attraction increase just from talking! I also overcame conversational obstacles. I got her to talk about reasons for her latest break up when she initially refused. Ex: Me: So why did you break up? Her: I don’t want to get into that. Me: Was it b/c ya’ll got into fights or what? Her: No, it was b/c blah blah
Despite all of this, I didn’t even make out with her.
Any suggestions on opening her up for a kiss when the natural scenario doesn’t work? Start kissing her cheek and neck?
Almost all of my other experiences have led to at least make out when the girl maintaines EC with me. I’ve only been in one other situation with the girl showing lots of IOI’s and chasing me but then has closed BL. When I abruptly kissed that girl, she immediately broke off the kiss and things were strange. So I always wait for THE gaze. I’m going to do some research on dealing with closed BL and fleeting EC.
—Also, I’m confused about to what extent I should rely on the female’s feedback and to what extent I should lead.
Reasons for failure and bad BL: The phone call REALLY didn’t help but it seemed that her BL was jacked from when she got up to walk with me. Maybe my time in toilet broke her state and I didn’t bring it back up enough? I noticed that my BL wasn’t as certain and relaxed when I was standing as when I was sitting. Maybe this had an effect. Or as the RSD guys would probably say, maybe I gave too much rapport and landed in the friend zone.
It was interesting how I naturally acted like a challenge in response to her BS and how this prompted a positive response from her. But I think that the rapport was necessary first though in order to create some value. It seems to me that I’m always pulled between challenge/C&F and rapport. It’s hard to walk the tightrope between asexual friend and loud annoying attention ***** guy. I try to incorporate both challenge and rapport but I still feel that something is missing. I mean, I give my SISTER rapport and I tease her and THAT’S not seduction. I’ve been realizing lately that I don’t project a strong enough sexual state.
I think that shifting into and projecting sexual state is my main obstacle now that I’m better at convo. This could’ve had an effect on her but she wasn’t responding to the kino I did give. Any pointers on sexual state besides kino, slow voice, and seductive gaze?
Anyhow, the most frustrating thing about seduction is that a lot of times I’m left completely in the dark about WHY a girl flakes. The fact that there are many different opinions, theories, philosophies, INTERPRETATIONS out there does not help. Was it me, her, my game, her game, something else?? It feels at times that I’m in the same place as a clueless AFC. At least I approach and try to pay attention though. Ah well, the initial girl who flaked, left me a msg the next day. I’ll get around to calling her this week and see what fvck happened or amuse myself by hearing her outrageous excuse. LOL!
Cheers
Scenario: A bangin’ outdoor rave
My goal: Since the girl I was going to take, flaked on me, I planned to have some fun dancing, then work on my seduction skills, and fvck a little hottie under the full moon. Aroooooooo!
Me: Dressed very flamboyantly in clothes I made
Her: HB7.5 who I met through an acquaintance. Mostly down to earth girl who came off a tad insecure (had that hot nerdy look too boot) so I didn’t use much C&F on her. She was VERY logical though, which was different than most chicks.
My game was to establish rapport and then isolate. Lately, I’ve been getting more IOI’s from girls when I focus on rapport than when I focus on C&F. (Although a couple of these girls had BF's so maybe my experience is skewed)
-Talked to her for about 3 hours while sitting in two patio chairs.
-She mentioned at the beginning of the convo how tired she was from her 5 hour journey to the party. She yawned throughout the encounter. I didn’t take it as a negative response to me but I should’ve bailed because her energy was too low. I stayed because of the challenge though.
-I did bring her energy up and got lots of IOI’s--turning her entire body toward me in the chair, playing with her hair, asking me about myself, consistently bringing up her single status and how she dates younger guys (she is 4 years older than me)
--Social proof: Mad social proof from my many friends and acquaintances coming up and complimenting me. Also from strangers complimenting my clothes. I felt like a king on a throne with folks paying homage. LOL!
–Isolation: Told her that I needed to hit the porta pottie and invited her to walk around the party with me. Got back to my camp and found people there. CURSES! Walked around some more and improvised. Dragged my air mattress away from tent to “gaze at the moon.”
--Patterns: Tried some improvised connection patterns. Like usual, they got an indifferent response, even though my delivery was the most genuine this time. I think I’ll drop them as I’m able to establish rapport without them and they may come off as cheesy.
--Kino: she never kinoed me back or responded in any way to the kino during this entire encounter. Her BL was closed as we walked around.
–Phone interruption: just as she get settled onto the mattress, she answers her cell! She talked and laughed on it for 15 minutes. I used this time to get up to get condoms I forgot in my tent. She whispers an apology after I came back (prolly worried that I left) but keeps talking. I start playing with her hands and feet but she doesn’t respond. I then lay back and start snoring but she doesn’t respond. I then just lay there.
--After phone call, her BL remained closed and she never maintained my gaze, so I never went in for a kiss. She ended up laying back and talking about how tired she was. I told her that she should go pass out in her car if she was just going to talk about being tired. She didn’t leave but mentioned passing out on my super comfy mattress and I gave some C&F responses (Hadn’t even used C&F directly toward her until now b/c getting enough IOI’s through convo).
–I told her I was going back to the party and that she couldn’t sleep on my mattress. She ended up following me around the party for a couple hours and even dancing with her tired azz.
–Jealousy. When I left her on the dancefloor to talk to this girl I knew, HB7.5 came up and started trying to get my attention back. It was so late in the morning that I gave up on fvcking her. I just walked around with her and talked to people I knew.
–Close: She number closed me but it wasn’t a victory to me b/c she was driving 5 hours away and then sometime this month she was going back to France for another year. Whatever.
Ok so the experience sucked because I could’ve fvcked one of the many other LOCAL hotties at the party but I wasted the night on her. Next time, I’m going to shorten the process and regard low energy as a red flag (I feel that I almost overcame it though and should be able to ).
The experience was cool because I stayed objective and thought on my feet about the seduction but I was able to stay relaxed and maintain the convo fairly naturally. I was attracted enough to try to seduce her but not nervously attracted. I felt detached like I was conducting an experiment but at the same time actively interested.
My convo skills have drastically improved. I focused on emotions, descriptions, stories, and absurd what ifs. I could see her attraction increase just from talking! I also overcame conversational obstacles. I got her to talk about reasons for her latest break up when she initially refused. Ex: Me: So why did you break up? Her: I don’t want to get into that. Me: Was it b/c ya’ll got into fights or what? Her: No, it was b/c blah blah
Despite all of this, I didn’t even make out with her.
Any suggestions on opening her up for a kiss when the natural scenario doesn’t work? Start kissing her cheek and neck?Almost all of my other experiences have led to at least make out when the girl maintaines EC with me. I’ve only been in one other situation with the girl showing lots of IOI’s and chasing me but then has closed BL. When I abruptly kissed that girl, she immediately broke off the kiss and things were strange. So I always wait for THE gaze. I’m going to do some research on dealing with closed BL and fleeting EC.
—Also, I’m confused about to what extent I should rely on the female’s feedback and to what extent I should lead.
Reasons for failure and bad BL: The phone call REALLY didn’t help but it seemed that her BL was jacked from when she got up to walk with me. Maybe my time in toilet broke her state and I didn’t bring it back up enough? I noticed that my BL wasn’t as certain and relaxed when I was standing as when I was sitting. Maybe this had an effect. Or as the RSD guys would probably say, maybe I gave too much rapport and landed in the friend zone.
It was interesting how I naturally acted like a challenge in response to her BS and how this prompted a positive response from her. But I think that the rapport was necessary first though in order to create some value. It seems to me that I’m always pulled between challenge/C&F and rapport. It’s hard to walk the tightrope between asexual friend and loud annoying attention ***** guy. I try to incorporate both challenge and rapport but I still feel that something is missing. I mean, I give my SISTER rapport and I tease her and THAT’S not seduction. I’ve been realizing lately that I don’t project a strong enough sexual state.
I think that shifting into and projecting sexual state is my main obstacle now that I’m better at convo. This could’ve had an effect on her but she wasn’t responding to the kino I did give. Any pointers on sexual state besides kino, slow voice, and seductive gaze?
Anyhow, the most frustrating thing about seduction is that a lot of times I’m left completely in the dark about WHY a girl flakes. The fact that there are many different opinions, theories, philosophies, INTERPRETATIONS out there does not help. Was it me, her, my game, her game, something else?? It feels at times that I’m in the same place as a clueless AFC. At least I approach and try to pay attention though. Ah well, the initial girl who flaked, left me a msg the next day. I’ll get around to calling her this week and see what fvck happened or amuse myself by hearing her outrageous excuse. LOL!
Cheers
