"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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FR: Night Club - a pretty fun night..

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all right.

wasn't planning on having a long night on friday, but i guess it turned out that way..

got pimped out (hey, if you go to a club looking like a joe schmoe, you'll be treated like one)

-black pinstripe jacket
-bright red buttonup, two buttons unbunttoned
-dark jeans
-nice italian shoes
-cheap metal necklace, my big pimp watch, leather cuff..

i was a little scruffy but didn't shave. I think the chicks actually liked it.

So to start off the night, me and a friend had a drink and hit up a first place, a very upscale loungy place with a lot of older right people. The crown just sucked. We had a drink each and moved onto another place where we hooked up with more friends - girls, guys, etc..

got to the place, friend knew the doorman, so no cover or line, cool. This place is one of the largest clubs around, multi-level, multi-room. Very diverse crowd.

I started off by playing this chick (HB Slut) who is a friend, was there with a boyfriend.. She's a cool girl, slutty club girl type, but very fun. When im with her alone people think we are a couple, since im into heavy kino and she follows me like a puppy dog. I could have f-d her like 10 times already, but i like her as a club buddy and social proof. Plus i like messing with her boyfriend. Good warmup though.

We met some of her friends, one of which i immediately liked - HB Asian #1. I was my ****y confident self, so i kept flirting and making fun of her every time she was around, making fun of guys that approached her, etc. She was with this poor LJBF'd dude, her personal driver/slave i guess. HE WASNT DRINKING BECAUSE HE WAS A DRIVER!!! I was laughing at him all night long. Dont be that guy dudes, thats just sad. Anyways, i was heavily kinoing her every chance i got too.. Oh yeah i guess her bf was there too or something, but i was kinda clear at not giving a **** about either ;)

Then her ****blocking dudes dragged her off somewhere and i had to move on. Opened some hot girls, had some laughs, etc.. Nothing serious. A couple thought i was crazy, a couple thought i was cool. Nobody that I liked in particular.

There are lots of fun games you can play in a club with drunk chicks. Jump out in front of them and be like "yo, you two are too drunk to go into the VIP" or jump into their pictures, etc. A majority of them have a good reaction. But you kinda have to look good and be fun, and not to that in a creepy loserish way.

Anyways, so i was playing my little games and stumbled upon a birthday girl. I love birthday girls/bachelorettes/etc.. They are easy to mess with and easy to approach. She was like way happy and somehow we talked, she was 30 (HB 30yo) and she was very bubbly, fun. I messed with her to no end, she kept hugging me and kissing me on the cheek, and introduced me to her friends, who paid back by ****blocking me and taking her drunk ass home. Thanks *******s.

So me and my friend are taking a timeout in the vip, im mourning a loss of HB 30yo for about 10 seconds until i see a group of cuties 10 feet away. Now i dont usually smoke, but sometimes i really enjoy a cig. So i pull one out, and come up to the table with the hotties to use their candle to light it. I blow it out "on accident" and look at the hottest chick out of the group who looked kinda bored (HB Asian #2).. She was smoking, so it made sense. She lights my cig. Good girl. walk back to friend and drink. Flirt with a hottie asian bartender (what the hell was with asian hotties around me at this point, i don't know)


a minute later i look at the HB Asian #2, she lights up a second cig. I wave "nono" at her, and wink, she smiles and gives solid EC/IOI. I walk up and say you shouldn't be chainsmoking, she says she's quitting. She gets up to talk to me, and basically does most of the work herself. Very friendly, tells me im hot, tells me she loves my outfit, etc.. I say of course, etc.. C&F C&F C&F all the way. She asks if im a player, i look at her, smile, and say of course i am.

She runs off to her friends a couple times, but we have a good convo, rapport, kino. She asks me to buy her a drink. I tell her she should buy me one. She has no money. Has friends get them for us, but ****blocking friends have to leave. I hand her my phone and tell her to put her number in. Hug, cheek kiss, she's gone. She lives like 5 blocks away from me. Good ****.

At this point my friend got kicked out for being way drunk, and most other people i knew left. Im solo, i don't give a ****, im on fire. I open a set ( HB7 and HB8) of typical midwest girls. They love me, but they also bore the hell out of me. I take the number of one and leave. Too tired at this point to **** around and be charming.

Whoa, all of a sudden i run into HB Asian #1. She's chilling with her boyservant. I basically climb on top of her, and we talk. Heavy kino, lots of IOI. I do feel a little too drunk, so i have to wrap it up. Say i gotta go after a 10-15 minute convo, she tells me "let me give you my number" Of course, sweetie. Way way way too easy. Cheek kiss, ass squeeze, im out.

I make fun of a couple more club sluts on my way out and hail a cab. In the meantime my drunk ass friend entertains me by sending me a ton of drunk text messages about all the people we've seen.



Tools that really really work/help in a club:

KINO ****ING KINO - can't stress this enough. Start early, go hard, don't stop, be sexual, make the ho say no. Kino works like a ****ing charm in clubs and creates rapport like nothing else.

C&F+sexual state - so ****ing important too. This is what gets you the hot sluts. You need to be fearless and careless. Approach like you don't care, tease, slap asses if you have to, act like you own then, laugh at them, but at the same time be extremely sexual. Whisper in their ear. Squeeze their hand. Rub their legs. Make it natural. Don't stop until you get slapped.

Cheek kiss - I think it was from mystery/style, make that a girl gives you at least a kiss on the cheek, if she doesnt do it herself - point to the cheek and wait for her to do it.

Looks - looks in the club is number one. If you wanna pick up hotties in the club, you better stand out. Make sure you smell nice and look good up close since you are going to be hugging/kinoing/etc

Phone numbers - easy ****. She has to go or you have to go, so be like "ok, we have to hang out" or "you're so fun, im gonna make sure i see you again" and bring up the new number menu on your phone and hand it to them. Wait for her to put her number in, and if you really wanna make sure you have it, call it right away, and say "here, it works, and now you have my number as well" I think this is jugglers or something like that.

its usually good too because you have her name spelled right after you enter it (i called one girl by a wrong name all night long, until she put her number into my phone ;) )

Conclusion: this **** really works. Clubs are perfect for C&F and GW/Sexual State method.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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don't be hating Sicarius. dude sounds like he had a fun time and thats what it is all about.
 

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Originally posted by Sicarius
This post seems to be much ado about nothing. Okay, my club night, even if I didn't meet anyone, an be described similarly..
I talked to a buncha girls. I had positive reactions out of maybe 6 (6 occassions, either alone or with girlfriends). But okay so you're the entertaining guy that's dressed like zoolander, fine, you're all gucci'd up, fine, you get a number. I personally can get numbers from cold approaches with like 80% success rate if I'm into it and not like "might as well cold-approach outta habbit/cuz shes here/dont feel like it"...

So what? Most of these numbers are useless. I talked to girls, I even sometimes met one or two for a date.. but MOST are just useless numbers.. you call, it goes to voicemail, they never pick up, and they never call back.

Or if they talk to you, they've some universal female excuse.

So if you call what you did in your club "natural"... then we're not on the same page as to what natural is.. Just flirting and touching girls and getting some numbers.. at the price of being a ****ing dressed-up Rico Suave entertainer..

Something's wrong with that picture.
first of all, i've never had a fake number. I've had chicks that took mine and never called, but whatever. And usually chicks i meet are not that flaky.

but hey, whatever. i guess i should post about the ONS i had when ****ed a chick 3 hours after seeing her for the first time from this monday.

"dressed like zoolander" - ooh, do i detect a hint of AFC coming through? are you one of those guys that feels uncomfortable around guys who know how to dress well? ;)

anyways, i guess according to you, we should only post FRs about f-closing HB10s. Or maybe you enjoy AFC posts on here even better.
 

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Originally posted by Sicarius
This post seems to be much ado about nothing. Okay, my club night, even if I didn't meet anyone, an be described similarly..
I talked to a buncha girls. I had positive reactions out of maybe 6 (6 occassions, either alone or with girlfriends). But okay so you're the entertaining guy that's dressed like zoolander, fine, you're all gucci'd up, fine, you get a number. I personally can get numbers from cold approaches with like 80% success rate if I'm into it and not like "might as well cold-approach outta habbit/cuz shes here/dont feel like it"...

So what? Most of these numbers are useless. I talked to girls, I even sometimes met one or two for a date.. but MOST are just useless numbers.. you call, it goes to voicemail, they never pick up, and they never call back.

Or if they talk to you, they've some universal female excuse.

So if you call what you did in your club "natural"... then we're not on the same page as to what natural is.. Just flirting and touching girls and getting some numbers.. at the price of being a ****ing dressed-up Rico Suave entertainer..

Something's wrong with that picture.

Sicaricus makes a great point no one mentions enought...

You dont' go to the club or to bars to look for prolonged relationships...

You approach a woman differently, for different reasons, at a club, then you would at a say.. mall.

The whole "give me your number/ call 2 days later" routine doesn't work nearly as well as in a regular enviorment.

There are reasons that I could point why, but I won't because it's too mnay.


You meet a girl at the club, your mindset needs to be on ****ing. Anything short of a ******* b y the end of the night is not a success.

It's very true, whoever said it first ,that women dont' necessarly go to the club for men, they go for various different reasons, but not to find a man.

More clearly, a woman goes to the club to get laid before she goes to find a man, if that makes any sense.

About half of the women at the club, no matter who you are, aren't going to give you the time of day, because they aren't there for men, they are there for the attention FROM men.

The ones that are a) sluts b) in ****ed up relationships or c) just that into you aren't looking for dinner and a movie.

Think about the backward ass logic men use when they go to a club.

You have a woman, dressed in the most provactive, ass showing, cleveage revealing outfit she can find.

More times than not, she is drunk.

You have been grinding with her. IT's a club, so there has to be some physical contact of some kind

So, you ask for her number, to setup a "regualar" date? Which if you are aDJ, would be say... Put Put Golf... which normally isn't a bad first date, but it is when had the woman in her **** me now outfit and drunk!

You will never find a single woman looking for a man in the club... With that said, even if you did, that's not the single woman you Want.

Alot of sleeping around happens at clubs. Thats' why most woman dont' keep up with your calls, or numbers, or stuff like that. They wanted you to make a move on them THAT NIGHT and you blew it.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Originally posted by backbreaker
Sicaricus makes a great point no one mentions enought...

You dont' go to the club or to bars to look for prolonged relationships...

You approach a woman differently, for different reasons, at a club, then you would at a say.. mall.

The whole "give me your number/ call 2 days later" routine doesn't work nearly as well as in a regular enviorment.

There are reasons that I could point why, but I won't because it's too mnay.


You meet a girl at the club, your mindset needs to be on ****ing. Anything short of a ******* b y the end of the night is not a success.

It's very true, whoever said it first ,that women dont' necessarly go to the club for men, they go for various different reasons, but not to find a man.

More clearly, a woman goes to the club to get laid before she goes to find a man, if that makes any sense.

About half of the women at the club, no matter who you are, aren't going to give you the time of day, because they aren't there for men, they are there for the attention FROM men.

The ones that are a) sluts b) in ****ed up relationships or c) just that into you aren't looking for dinner and a movie.

Think about the backward ass logic men use when they go to a club.

You have a woman, dressed in the most provactive, ass showing, cleveage revealing outfit she can find.

More times than not, she is drunk.

You have been grinding with her. IT's a club, so there has to be some physical contact of some kind

So, you ask for her number, to setup a "regualar" date? Which if you are aDJ, would be say... Put Put Golf... which normally isn't a bad first date, but it is when had the woman in her **** me now outfit and drunk!

You will never find a single woman looking for a man in the club... With that said, even if you did, that's not the single woman you Want.

Alot of sleeping around happens at clubs. Thats' why most woman dont' keep up with your calls, or numbers, or stuff like that. They wanted you to make a move on them THAT NIGHT and you blew it.
its a little bit more complicated than that dude.

you have to understand the underlying social dynamics of clubbing. There is a certain group of people that knows each other. hangs out together. ****s each other. people who don't pay to get in. Then there are the clueless people who go clubbing once in a while and think that people still grind up to girls outside of juicebars and MTV bull****.

To be honest with you, let me make one thing clear. I was NOT looking to get laid last night. I know it sounds stupid, but I ****ed a couple chicks in the past couple weeks, and it kinda disenchanted me to ONS for a while. You know how that happens.

But for various reasons, last night was more about having fun and being a little crazy.

As far as clubbing goes, i know a lot of people on this board are clueless. I cringe every time i hear about people coming up to women and asking to dance, or trying to grind them from the back out of nowhere. Winners.

I've been doing this since i was 15. Clubs are my home sort of. I am 100% comfortable, i love it, and i've gotten a lot out of them in terms of women. There is a method to the madness if you understand what women do and want when they go to those places. And I would put my club number-closes against any other type of number-closes out there.

(oh yeah, and i know which ones are throwaways usually. Like the midwest girls, im not calling that. no motivation)

p.s. **** i reread this and it barely makes sense. I am holding alcohol responsible.
 

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Originally posted by Egoist
its a little bit more complicated than that dude.

you have to understand the underlying social dynamics of clubbing. There is a certain group of people that knows each other. hangs out together. ****s each other. people who don't pay to get in. Then there are the clueless people who go clubbing once in a while and think that people still grind up to girls outside of juicebars and MTV bull****.

To be honest with you, let me make one thing clear. I was NOT looking to get laid last night. I know it sounds stupid, but I ****ed a couple chicks in the past couple weeks, and it kinda disenchanted me to ONS for a while. You know how that happens.

But for various reasons, last night was more about having fun and being a little crazy.

As far as clubbing goes, i know a lot of people on this board are clueless. I cringe every time i hear about people coming up to women and asking to dance, or trying to grind them from the back out of nowhere. Winners.

I've been doing this since i was 15. Clubs are my home sort of. I am 100% comfortable, i love it, and i've gotten a lot out of them in terms of women. There is a method to the madness if you understand what women do and want when they go to those places. And I would put my club number-closes against any other type of number-closes out there.

(oh yeah, and i know which ones are throwaways usually. Like the midwest girls, im not calling that. no motivation)

p.s. **** i reread this and it barely makes sense. I am holding alcohol responsible.
Okay, so what does your post have to do with what I said?

What does going to the club every weekend and dancing with the same girls every week have to do with your success at dating women?

It doesn't matter how often or not often you go to the club, if you are a hot guy and some woman thinks you are worthwhile, for whatever reason, she isn't going to say "Damn, he's cute.. looks pretty smooth... but this is my first time seeing him... better wait another 2 months"

That's the sillist statement I have heard all night.

The first time I ever went to a club, the night I turned 21, I ended up with 2 phone numbers (which wasn't a big deal) and making out with a bartender.

If anything, your "new meat"

Your arguement is like saying the new girl in school who is hot, won't get any play from a guy because she is new and everyone else already knows each other, which you know is total bull****.

What exactly did you go to the club for? I am not saying the only reason yo should go to a club is to **** women.. Alot of times my friends just want to get otu ,and we go out, shoot pool, drink, watch TV, eat, stuff like that, and I see women, but hooking up with them isn't very high on my to do list that night.

But I never go to the club thinking "damn I need to see a woman, let's go somewhere where where I need to find me a GF, I have been pretty lonly"

And no one said anything about a ONS.. just because you met her at a club and ****ed her, doesn't mean you can't **** her again next week... It's just that that's the best way to start it out.
 

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Originally posted by backbreaker
Okay, so what does your post have to do with what I said?

What does going to the club every weekend and dancing with the same girls every week have to do with your success at dating women?

It doesn't matter how often or not often you go to the club, if you are a hot guy and some woman thinks you are worthwhile, for whatever reason, she isn't going to say "Damn, he's cute.. looks pretty smooth... but this is my first time seeing him... better wait another 2 months"

That's the sillist statement I have heard all night.

The first time I ever went to a club, the night I turned 21, I ended up with 2 phone numbers (which wasn't a big deal) and making out with a bartender.

If anything, your "new meat"

Your arguement is like saying the new girl in school who is hot, won't get any play from a guy because she is new and everyone else already knows each other, which you know is total bull****.

What exactly did you go to the club for? I am not saying the only reason yo should go to a club is to **** women.. Alot of times my friends just want to get otu ,and we go out, shoot pool, drink, watch TV, eat, stuff like that, and I see women, but hooking up with them isn't very high on my to do list that night.

But I never go to the club thinking "damn I need to see a woman, let's go somewhere where where I need to find me a GF, I have been pretty lonly"

And no one said anything about a ONS.. just because you met her at a club and ****ed her, doesn't mean you can't **** her again next week... It's just that that's the best way to start it out.
nevermind dude, im confusing myself.
but you're kinda confusing yourself too.

**** it. less talking more sarging. im laying off vodka and going out. yes to another club.
 

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Originally posted by Egoist
its a little bit more complicated than that dude.

you have to understand the underlying social dynamics of clubbing. There is a certain group of people that knows each other. hangs out together. ****s each other. people who don't pay to get in. Then there are the clueless people who go clubbing once in a while and think that people still grind up to girls outside of juicebars and MTV bull****.

To be honest with you, let me make one thing clear. I was NOT looking to get laid last night. I know it sounds stupid, but I ****ed a couple chicks in the past couple weeks, and it kinda disenchanted me to ONS for a while. You know how that happens.

But for various reasons, last night was more about having fun and being a little crazy.

As far as clubbing goes, i know a lot of people on this board are clueless. I cringe every time i hear about people coming up to women and asking to dance, or trying to grind them from the back out of nowhere. Winners.

I've been doing this since i was 15. Clubs are my home sort of. I am 100% comfortable, i love it, and i've gotten a lot out of them in terms of women. There is a method to the madness if you understand what women do and want when they go to those places. And I would put my club number-closes against any other type of number-closes out there.

(oh yeah, and i know which ones are throwaways usually. Like the midwest girls, im not calling that. no motivation)

p.s. **** i reread this and it barely makes sense. I am holding alcohol responsible.

Sounds like a great night for ya man! Way to go! I so wish I could be as confident and effecient with the ladies as you are--especiall the asian hotties! DAMN, gotta love 'em

However, I have a few questions for ya. First, I'm probably one of the people you mention as being "clueless" when it comes to clubs. Let me tell you why.

1. I've Never really been to clubs before. I went to a few in college--like 3 or 4 times max but mostly kept to myself and danced alone in the corner of the floor. suprisingly enough I actually had a few girls come up to me and initiate grinding and talking and such. However, since I've been to Columbus I've been to a few "dance clubs" but the first time I went was somewhat of a sensory overload. All the lights flashing from the ceiling/disco ball..the overbearing LOUD music. Now I'm somewhat accustomed to the loud music but I still don't like it because it makes conversation difficult unless your screaming in somebody's ear.
2. I'm not really try to 'score' or do the whole ONS scenario. I'm looking for more LTR or maybe some cute friends who happen to be female (since I barely have any right now)
3. I can't afford the fancy, 'pimped-out' style your talking about unless I can find at Old Navy or some other bargain store. That brings me to my other point. Even my nice clothes are usually collared shirts I bought from Old navy. They're nice but somewhat conservate not some pimped out, gucci style clothing.
4. Since I don't go to clubs a lot and currently don't have many friends that do, I would probably go to them alone for the most part.
5. I don't know how to approach women and start grinding or dancing with them. I've tried but I usually get ignored. Exception was this Latin style dance club where you actually do salsa or latin style dancing. It was a lot of fun but I'm not talented enough to keep the ladies for more than one dance.

So based on what I told you; SHould I forego the clubscene or adapt?
 
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