FR: My main problem... I'm afraid to go for the kiss.

[ElStud]

An approach today has proven that I'm still afraid to go for the kiss. Basically, this blonde chick was sitting down and I approached her. Don't remember quite what I opened with but I think I basically sat down and maybe did the hi five thing or asked her named, I've done a lot of sets recently, so I don't remember many of them exactly. But yeah, we vibed, I kinoed(Putting my hand on her shoulder) and she didn't resist. At one point I told her "You gotta to come to the football games and cheer for me". And she was all good with that and when I asked her if she was good at cheering she told me she use to be a cheerleader.

Blah blah blah, she's very interested and I go for the hug as I start ejecting and now we're both laying at a point where the kiss would've been perfect. Hell, I was even looking at her like "Maybe I should go for the kiss". But in the end, I just ejected and that was the set.

My main worries with kiss closing is, what if she's short and you have to kind of lean down your head to kiss her? I worry about that. Second thing that worries me is, if she does try to make out, what if it goes bad? After all, the one makeout I DID have(Yes, I'm referring to the one kiss I got from that hooker) didn't go so great.

But lol perhaps I SHOULD do what I did before I kissed the escort. You know, JUST DO IT and if she rejects, she rejects. I'd rather have a failed kiss close then not try and kiss close at all.

 

[TheBaconator]

An approach today has proven that I'm still afraid to go for the kiss. Basically, this blonde chick was sitting down and I approached her. Don't remember quite what I opened with but I think I basically sat down and maybe did the hi five thing or asked her named, I've done a lot of sets recently, so I don't remember many of them exactly. But yeah, we vibed, I kinoed(Putting my hand on her shoulder) and she didn't resist. At one point I told her "You gotta to come to the football games and cheer for me". And she was all good with that and when I asked her if she was good at cheering she told me she use to be a cheerleader.

Blah blah blah, she's very interested and I go for the hug as I start ejecting and now we're both laying at a point where the kiss would've been perfect. Hell, I was even looking at her like "Maybe I should go for the kiss". But in the end, I just ejected and that was the set.

My main worries with kiss closing is, what if she's short and you have to kind of lean down your head to kiss her? I worry about that. Second thing that worries me is, if she does try to make out, what if it goes bad? After all, the one makeout I DID have(Yes, I'm referring to the one kiss I got from that hooker) didn't go so great.

But lol perhaps I SHOULD do what I did before I kissed the escort. You know, JUST DO IT and if she rejects, she rejects. I'd rather have a failed kiss close then not try and kiss close at all.

First off, like others have told you, you seem to be rushing things. Most girls you approach won't kiss you right off the bat. It's just not their nature. Clubs and parties are the only time this rule doesn't apply. Girls don't wanna seem easy, therefore they most likley aren't gonna swap spit with you in broad daylight in public minutes after meeting you.

Secondly, why are you scared? You always brag about not being afraid of approaching girls and not caring about rejection, so why fear the kiss? Why are your nuts shriking up now? If you get rejected so be it.

Finally, you really need to try to understand what INTEREST is. If a girl chats with you it doesn't automatically mean she's interested in you. People are polite and friendly, and you can't take any nice action as a sign that she wants you.

Ok now tell me how i'm such a hater.

 

[cloneofstenyhoyer]

examples of interest would be?

 

[ElStud]

First off, like others have told you, you seem to be rushing things. Most girls you approach won't kiss you right off the bat. It's just not their nature. Clubs and parties are the only time this rule doesn't apply. Girls don't wanna seem easy, therefore they most likley aren't gonna swap spit with you in broad daylight in public minutes after meeting you.

Secondly, why are you scared? You always brag about not being afraid of approaching girls and not caring about rejection, so why fear the kiss? Why are your nuts shriking up now? If you get rejected so be it.

Finally, you really need to try to understand what INTEREST is. If a girl chats with you it doesn't automatically mean she's interested in you. People are polite and friendly, and you can't take any nice action as a sign that she wants you.

Ok now tell me how i'm such a hater.

First off, I have video proof of other dudes kiss closing perfect strangers which disproves your you can't kiss close when you just meet her thing. And I have a feeling if I only had the balls to go for it, I could personally disprove it.

The second thing is actually good. Very good advice. I shouldn't care, I should just go for it.

Third, I know what interest is. If a girl chats with you and doesn't turn her head when you talk to her that's atleast a little interest. If the girl is actually laughing and having a good time with you and not giving you that "I'm creeped out" look, that means she's even more interested. Generally, if a girl doesn't reject kino, that means she's probably really comfortable with you. This girl didn't reject when I put my hand on her shoulder OR when I hugged her. This all goes back to the fact that just because a girl doesn't suck your **** the first minute, doesn't mean she's not interested. Besides, even if a girls not interested at first, if you stay in there for a while and plow, it can eventually lead to interest.

 

[TheBaconator]

First off, I have video proof of other dudes kiss closing perfect strangers which disproves your you can't kiss close when you just meet her thing. And I have a feeling if I only had the balls to go for it, I could personally disprove it.

The second thing is actually good. Very good advice. I shouldn't care, I should just go for it.

Third, I know what interest is. If a girl chats with you and doesn't turn her head when you talk to her that's atleast a little interest. If the girl is actually laughing and having a good time with you and not giving you that "I'm creeped out" look, that means she's even more interested. Generally, if a girl doesn't reject kino, that means she's probably really comfortable with you. This girl didn't reject when I put my hand on her shoulder OR when I hugged her. This all goes back to the fact that just because a girl doesn't suck your **** the first minute, doesn't mean she's not interested. Besides, even if a girls not interested at first, if you stay in there for a while and plow, it can eventually lead to interest.

Dude, I could care less about video proof. I'm telling you from my experiences that it is unlikley that a girl will make out with you in public upton first meeting you unless it's in a club or party. I can show you video proof that some girls like to eat **** but does that make it the norm?

And with the interest thing you've got it all wrong. "If a girl doesn't turn her head she's interested" LMAO man. Are you kidding. Have you never heard of people being friendly and polite? Sorry to break this too you, but not every girl who partakes in a conversation with you wants you inside her. Maybe these girls who conversate with you have interest, as in being interested in aquiring you as a friend. For christs sake man, how can you take a girl telling her BF that she made a new friend as interest?

 

[drak_ool]

just a quick thought: putting your hand on her shoulder is good, but also pretty "mild". I wouldn't think a girl's interest level is that high unless she accepted some more aggressive form of kino, like you caressing her thighs or, even better, her holding your hand while you are caressing her

 

[DonJuan11]

Knock your super high ego down a few pegs. Nobody cares as much as you think if she rejects you for a kiss. She and everyone else have bigger problems to worry about.

 

[hanson]

A friendly daytime meeting for a kiss close. Why would she want to kiss you?

 

[ElStud]

Haha, well Baconator I don't really care. You say you don't care, but in your post it's quite clear you do. In the end, I don't care though, I'm still gonna be approaching today with the advice I've been given in mind. And maybe that IS from your experiences, but do you ever think that you've been limiting yourself? I'm just saying I've seen proof that it is possible to get a kiss close off of a perfect stranger. And stop being so defensive.

just a quick thought: putting your hand on her shoulder is good, but also pretty "mild". I wouldn't think a girl's interest level is that high unless she accepted some more aggressive form of kino, like you caressing her thighs or, even better, her holding your hand while you are caressing her

This is good man, one of the only good pieces of advice in all the straight hateful ones. I'm definitely going to try less "mild" kino just to test her interest level.

 

[Igetit!]

Hey man, The Baconator is right. And guess what? You are right,too. Most girls DO NOT kiss guys on the approach,even if they are interested. And yeah,I'm sure that maybe you can produce some video of a girl kissing some guy on the first approach. But come on man,we ALL know that that isn't the norm. Why do you want to kiss on the approach,man? What for? Wouldn't it be better to get her number,call her,then go out on a date? Is it a ego thing?
Hey,I'm not going to lie. Kissing some girl within the first 5 to 10 minutes of knowing her would be a boost to the ego,but even though it might feel great,it would probably cause more harm than good.

More than likely,if you were to kiss the girl after only knowing her a few minutes,and got her number,she would probably flake. You know why? ASD,man. The anti-s*** defense. She would kiss you,then later on,she'd look back at the interaction and she'd feel too easy,and she'd think that you thought that she was easy because she kissed you,a total stranger.
You might get the kiss,but you'd lose the girl. Is that what you want? Forget that,man. Look,I've read some of your threads. I read the one about getting to know a girl is better than just getting in her pants. Well,did you mean that or not? If you want to meet a girl and have a good relationship with her,take your own advice that you wrote in that thread. Going around trying to kiss random strange women,no matter how "hot" they are,is just plain ridiculous.
Just build attraction and comfort,and the "kissing" will take care of itself.

 

[ElStud]

Hey man, The Baconator is right. And guess what? You are right,too. Most girls DO NOT kiss guys on the approach,even if they are interested. And yeah,I'm sure that maybe you can produce some video of a girl kissing some guy on the first approach. But come on man,we ALL know that that isn't the norm. Why do you want to kiss on the approach,man? What for? Wouldn't it be better to get her number,call her,then go out on a date? Is it a ego thing?
Hey,I'm not going to lie. Kissing some girl within the first 5 to 10 minutes of knowing her would be a boost to the ego,but even though it might feel great,it would probably cause more harm than good.

More than likely,if you were to kiss the girl after only knowing her a few minutes,and got her number,she would probably flake. You know why? ASD,man. The anti-s*** defense. She would kiss you,then later on,she'd look back at the interaction and she'd feel too easy,and she'd think that you thought that she was easy because she kissed you,a total stranger.
You might get the kiss,but you'd lose the girl. Is that what you want? Forget that,man. Look,I've read some of your threads. I read the one about getting to know a girl is better than just getting in her pants. Well,did you mean that or not? If you want to meet a girl and have a good relationship with her,take your own advice that you wrote in that thread. Going around trying to kiss random strange women,no matter how "hot" they are,is just plain ridiculous.
Just build attraction and comfort,and the "kissing" will take care of itself.

lol produce video proof? No need. There are tons of seduction videos already out there even on YouTube that are proof of guys kiss closing perfect strangers.

Otherwise, it's good advice. Only reason I'd go for the kiss that soon is for the sake of actually sucessfully kiss closing. I don't care what happens after that.

 

[goodfoot]

I just don't understand why you're trying to kiss close in 3 minutes when you haven't kiss closed period before. You have to learn to walk before you can run.

 

[TheBaconator]

lol produce video proof? No need. There are tons of seduction videos already out there even on YouTube that are proof of guys kiss closing perfect strangers.

Otherwise, it's good advice. Only reason I'd go for the kiss that soon is for the sake of actually sucessfully kiss closing. I don't care what happens after that.

O so you just wanna add kiss close to your seduction resume? You really have no intent on following it up if you are successful?

Igetit also makes another good point. If you kiss a girl right away (which i'm willing to be the house you won't with your limited escalation game at this point and your failure to recognize when a girl is truly interested) those ASD will most likley kick in if you try to pursue it further. But alas, you have video proof so you know what you're doing.

Elstud, serious question, what happened to the whole trying to get to know women theory you were going on about just days ago? Was that all troll bull****? Because it doesn't make sense from you to go from one extreme to the next. Your mentality was better then, thinking to approach girls without looking for a desired outcome, then it is now in approaching with the sole goal of getting a kiss.

 

[Warrior74]

Elstud, serious question, what happened to the whole trying to get to know women theory you were going on about just days ago? Was that all troll bull****? Because it doesn't make sense from you to go from one extreme to the next. Your mentality was better then, thinking to approach girls without looking for a desired outcome, then it is now in approaching with the sole goal of getting a kiss.

this is because he's AFC. Doesn't know what he wants, doesn't know what he's doing. Can't stick to anything for more than a few days and desperately wants to retire his Vcard but can't. Throw in massive fear of failure, and fear of success coupled with some attention hoe behavior and youthful arrogance and you've created an Elstud.

The kid just needs to go see a pro so he can relax. Find the biggest skank on campus or go pay a call girl and get it over with. Seriously. Just get her done so you can concentrate on becoming a real man.

 

[ElStud]

That pretty much nails it. Proof you ask? No problem.

from this
and this
aaand this (I know the list is so long which is why I'll stop here)

to sh!t this and this

Maybe people would respect ElStud a bit more if he didn't change his mind every 2.5 seconds. Oh, and also the fact that he thinks he's better at getting action than all of us despite the fact he never has.

lol putting words in peoples mouths is proof huh? Don't think so. You failed to show the SEVERAL other FR's where I have successfully number closed and the recent FR's where I atleast had balls to go for the kiss close. Besides, I never said anything close to "I get more ass than thou" and you're putting words in my mouth.

And in the end, it really doesn't matter to me. Because I'll still be approaching and doing my thing, while you sit on here, hating on all the dudes improving. There is a difference between crit and straight hating and you sure, are straight hating.

 

[Aragon034]

Come on guys...

ElStud is the biggest DJ around.... in theory.

He's got the entire Bible memories and can think of perfect responses to any resistance to his charm... in theory.

In fact, he's got the perfect plan of escalation to get a girl to cream herself within an hour of meeting her... in theory.

But this doesn't mean he's all about the sex. In fact, ElStud makes it his duty to get to know every girl he games to better understand them... In theory.

Let's all be thankful that Theoriticians such as ElStud exist, so the rest of us can work on the Pratical side of it

 

[hanson]

whats the point of going for a kiss? more then likely your gonna get shot down and its going to ruin your opportunity for one later on, when you've had a chance to game her a little

 

[hanson]

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Are you serious? If you don't go for the kiss, you will never make out with a girl. It's just part of the system that girls expect guys to make the move. It's bs and it sucks, especially considering girls are natural DJ's so it's no problem for them to make the move. I'll have a drunk girl repeatedly hugging me for no reason with our faces real close, just expecting me to make the move every time. I'm like WTF why can't you just do it you pvussy!

This dude is talking about daytime game, I'm sure any girl he meets are a little creeped out afterwords

 

[Aragon034]

Are you serious? If you don't go for the kiss, you will never make out with a girl. It's just part of the system that girls expect guys to make the move. It's bs and it sucks, especially considering girls are natural DJ's so it's no problem for them to make the move. I'll have a drunk girl repeatedly hugging me for no reason with our faces real close, just expecting me to make the move every time. I'm like WTF why can't you just do it you pvussy!

I agree that the guy has to initiate, but depending on the circumstances a kiss close might be pushing your luck.

Sure, drunk girls quite literally ask for it, but a girl with some morals and one that you just met might not take it as nicely. Your game has be spot on for that to work.

i have yet to kiss close on a first meeting outside of a club or bar, but that doesn't worry me. i work more on building rapport and playful kino, so when the chance comes that i can kiss close (Whether it's teh next meeting or next week) it's completely natural and i don't get resistance.

 

[abcd_z]

I'll be honest, I'm quite sympathetic to his situation. I learned everything about interacting with women through the internet: mostly sosuave.net and fastseduction.com.
I was a social robot.
And I was creepy as hell.

The problem is that you're not listening to the advice you're getting. You've got a mental image of how the k-close is supposed to go, and you'll be dämned if you let reality get in the way of how you *know* it's supposed to go.

Yes, kissing her that early is bad for a number of different reasons. But that won't stop you, because you *know* how it is supposed to work. Not based on any experience, or on the advice of the people here who have had relevant experience, but on what you already believe to be true.

And the thing is, I can hear you getting defensive about your beliefs from across the internet. What would that mean to you if they were right? It wouldn't mean anything about yourself, except that in this situation, you happened to be wrong.

Is that too much of a threat for you to face?

If you want to get good at this, you have to accept that just maybe, we do know what we're talking about, and that we do want you to succeed.
Well, most of us do. A few are just trolls.

In any event, whether or not you take the advice given here, I wish you nothing but the best of luck.

-abcd_z