"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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FR: Lunch at the mall, did I do something wrong?

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I'm at a loss of words, I met this asian HB8 from craigslist, and after a few email exchanges and photo swaps, we meet at the local mall. It was no doubt that she was into me since I kept myself mysterious (she even mentioned that in a joking way).

I was very nervous, my armpits were sweating like crazy the whole time, but I had a calm and I felt very comfortable with her. I kept her smiling and laughing and keeping eye contact. After lunch we just walked around looking at different shops. Naturally, she went to the shoe stores, but didn't buy anything.

I didn't know what to do afterwards, but we kept getting close while walking (since I had a hard time hearing her since it was so busy) but here's where I think I screwed up..

I asked her where she parked, and we walked to her car, she was about to leave then I reached for her hand as she was walking away (as if I was to give her a goodbye shake) but i went in to kiss but she turned her head to the side so I only kissed her cheek. We didn't say anything afterwards, and I didn't look to see whether she liked it or not..

Was that too forward? Should I bother asking for another date at the movies later this week? Help me out guys.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Mall date?

No.

You have to be the center of attention. Do a martini date next time.
 

Vanilla

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Luveno said:
Mall date?

No.

You have to be the center of attention. Do a martini date next time.
I forgot to mention she's 20.

I was the center of attention, I guided her around the mall since it was her first time there. My question was regarding the kiss close.
 

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Yeahh, you were too forward. Keep studying and keep practising, remember, there is no such thing as a mistake unless you make it again..

PS mall dates are fine, I'm sure.. whatever, really.
 

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I think you waited too long to touch her. If you had initiated some sort of contact earlier she probably would have been more receptive to the kiss attempt. Don't wait till the last possible second to make a move. It kinda smells of desperation.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Yea what the last guy said. You've gotta make the kino seem more natural so she won't be so surprised by it.
 

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you're kinda all over the place here... were you "nervous" or were you "calm"?

i'm getting a flavor from what you wrote that you might not have been very smooth... did you not know what to do create awkwardness? did she have fun? you went for the kiss but were you paying attention to her to see if she would be receptive to it?

was she responding well? nervously? awkwardly? uncomfortably? were you guys getting along well (despite what you yourself were doing)?

kissing on the first date is definitely not out of the question... but like all things regarding the mating game, you have to pay attention to see where she is before you commit.

delta
 

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I've done a mall date with a 19 yr old. I told her that we would pretend to be eloping to Vegas to get married, and say we needed a ring as a funny role playing thing. Weird thing is when she put the ring on it seemed real to her, she really wanted me to put down the deposit which I didn't. She was pretty much hooked after that. I kissed her a\on the way out, and I saw her for about 3-4 months.

I also took her to the arcade for some DDR which really did get me sweating!

I think you mgiht have just been too typical. The whole walking around bit with nothing really going on to show her you're a fun and cool guy. Just playing DDR with her which showed I wasn't concerned what people think or a bore. I also didn't see any movie moments or emotional sparks flying from what you posted, see the emotional sparks came in the jewelry store for me when she saw me, the ring on her finger, it melted her mind into an *us* within about 30 seconds. Also goinf for the BIG KISS at parting is way too typical and without any kino leading up to it makes it way too big of a deal according to PU101 which I agree with in this instance.

Try taking another date to the mall only add in some of what I did:
1. DDR or something interactive - don't be boring or too focused on her that early
2. Think Emotional Spark - like the jewelry store thing, all girls dream of this stuff
3. If you do 1 and 2 right then the kiss will be a given with zero resistence. In my case, she initiated it before I got around to it, but that's OK worked out fine. The kiss should not come while standing at the car. That will probably work, but I think it's just too typical and adds more tension than you might need right now. If she drove herself, I would also split ways just outside the mall instead of walking her all the way back to her car. For me, that's showing too much interest too soon. IMHO, The jewelry store thing will already have sealed it, so I want her to feel like she's trying to win me over now.
 
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