FR: long ass night, short version at the bottom.

[Aragon034]

I would have posted this in the Mature Dj's section since that's who my questions are geared towards, but alas, i'm only 21.

Today is a crappy mental day, i feel like i'm stagnating in success. to quote the Simpsons. "I'm lost in a sea of decadent luxury and meaningless sex."

Okay maybe not that bad, but still.

It's a long ass story the events leading up to why i feel this way, if you don't feel like reading it, I’ve got a short version at the bottom with only the bare essentials.

The long version is more of a field report than anything else, I wrote it down cuz it’s a good story and I’m getting a ton of flak/comments about it in my everyday

*Long version*

during the events detailed below, i wasn't feeling this way, i was having fun and in full party mode. It wasn't till after that i started to analyze the situation and start feeling this way.

Last night i went out to a club night a friend invited me to, most of my inner social circle was coming and theirs as well, we're gonna meet up at this girl Cat's place for predrinking for a while, then head out to the clubs. i've boned Cat before and she turned out to be a complete slvt, we still chill but i rarely push her for more than a heavy makeout.

I don't spend too long getting dressed; i'm so used to dressing well that almost my entire wardrobe is club/business appropriate. recently i've had people comment and say stuff like "you look like a million bucks!" or "wow Sam, why all dressed up for?" while its just my regular everyday clothes.

my sex life is great as well, my social circle is big enough that i'm meeting new women every time i go out and usually i'll find one i find ****able.

The problem is, i don't find any that are dateable or more. In part i've come to expect it. My thoughts on a High Value girl are high standards; i'm not willing to invest the time and resources to pursue a LTR if it's with a girl that doesn't meet my standards.

I'm pretty high value for the position i'm in. I'm one of the only guys in my social circle whos in college and already has job offers from big companies. My game has progressed from lines and methods, to natural and spontaneous, i've got plenty of female 'friends' and my true friends are all successful with women too. I know there are plenty of guys out there who have better value, but i'm meeting and exceeding my potential.

So back to the story, me and my best friend show up at the party, and he tells me about this one chick, we’ll call her S, Cat's best friend and smoking hot. He tells me that half of the guys in this place are ready to sacrifice their left nuts to bone her. But she's a total ****tease, he tells me that she once brought a guy to the point where he actually used his jacket to keep her from getting her feet wet in a puddle. My buddy has a GF who adores him so he’s not gonna game her, he tells me to go for it and pull an Achilles (our code word for going down in history as the guy who won at all costs)

i've seen her before, while out clubbing or with friends, she is pretty damn hot (she actually looks alot like Eva Angelina except with a pointy chin. She even has the same damn glasses!) but again, from what i've heard of her, she's not really going anywhere. i'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt and i make a note to talk to her later.

i say hi to all the people i know, grab a glass and start nursing a rum and coke. bout 20 mins into party, that's when this S girl walks up to grab something at the bar where I’m shootin the **** with various friends.

Me: Don't i know you from somewhere?
S: Huh?... yeah, i think i've seen you before too.
Me: i'm Sam, but people call me shades *flick my sunglasses*
S: OH! i know who you are! You’re the guy who Cat worked with, she told me she had to wear turtlenecks for a week!

Ok, backstory, me and Cat hooked up rather strangely one day, that story is in the weird/funny pickups thread. she loved getting hickeys and playing rough so it was her own fault she had to wear turtlenecks for a week,

Me: Oh please, she loved it. Why do you think she's wearing a scarf right now? Besides, I I walked funny for a few days after cuz of her.

we go on like this, talking about the people we both know, other random stuff. Turns out she’s in a hair school of all things. she’s not too excited about it but it’s what she figures she’ll do. I really lost all mental attraction at this point, I mean, quite literally all I saw in front of me was a beautiful meathole. She’s not too bright either,

I still wanted to nail her though, so in the middle of our talk i pull her over to the couch and we sit.

The conversation is going great, we're laughing about places we were both and didn't meet. blah blah, rapport. i hug her up, lean in and tease to go for a kiss, i even point out guys looking at us.

Me: See josh over there? in 5 seconds he'll turn and look at us.
*5 seconds pass*
S: oh my god, he so did! he looked right at us then looked away!

a few minutes pass, and a mutual friend (pretty sure he wants her) comes by and looks for a seat on the couch. Somewhere deep inside the recesses of this girl's mind, she figures out what to do.

S: Oh here!

She jumps up and sits on my lap and leans back. Even without expecting this i keep my cool. Now we’re getting blatant stares from some dudes, we're quickly becoming the center of attention. Honestly I don’t care and I just ride the high on the moment,

We laugh some more, I kiss her neck a little, she kisses back…

I dunno why, but some dudes just think that they can AMOG and win. I’ll give him credit, it was a good attack, but my love of comedy quickly diffused him.

In a lull in the conversation, he starts talking to me and S.

Dude: Hey Sam, I thought you were dating Luana? Or was it Amanda now?
Me: Nah, we just chill often, Lulu’s boyfriend’s a cool guy, and I don’t see Amanda too often, just when I pass her town.
Dude: Man I’m surprised you don’t have kids yet.
S: What?
Me: Oh I’ve got a secret way of preventing that.

Everybody around is listening in, they all start asking me what my secret birth control is.

Crowd: double condoms? Vasectomy? Rhythm method?
Me: Nah, I just use one of those NuvaRings as a ****ring. Keeps me hard and her from growing a bun in the oven..

Everybody starts laughing their asses off. Though S is laughing so much it’s like she’s going to cough up a lung. You know those jokes or something funny that makes you just spontaneous and continually laugh for hours on end? Apparently the thought of using a Nuvaring birth control as a ****ring was her perfect comedy.

The time passes, everybody is nice and buzzed, we set out for the club.

Once we get to the club, me and S get right onto the dance floor, it was great, I don’t’ even have a chance to check my coat before she drags me out there and starts grinding her ass. I actually have to ask one of the guys who came with us to check my coat for me since she’s not letting me walk away. He probably hates me now, but w/e grow a pair dude.

Once we danced for a few songs, we finally go to sit down and just chat and drink.

I eject and go to get another drink, at the bar dude from our group starts talking to me and start pestering me about gaming this girl. It went something like this.

Dude: Hey Sam, I gotta talk to you.
Me: Hmm? What’s up man?
Dude: Don’t front man, S’s mine.
Me: What? *laugh*
Dude: I’ve been gaming her for weeks now, I see her outside of these parties you know.
Me: Dude, chill out man. She’s just a girl.
Dude: I can’t chill out, I ****ing love her man and I’ll kill you if you hurt her
Me: You’re serious, oh god, can you even hear yourself?
Dude: Yes I’m serious! Don’t play her.
Me: tell you what dude, i won’t go to her, but if she comes to me you can’t say ****. Deal?
Dude:… ok, but don’t go near her.

At this point I’m completely disengaging from S, there’s plenty of other people in the club and I know some people around. I’m not going to ruin my night out by confronting this dude.

I spend like 20 minutes just walking around and vibing with everybody, I get bought like 3 drinks and I buy another 2 for people I knew. Pretty soon I’m back on the dance floor and I’ve got 2 girls with me.

A few songs pass, then all of a sudden Cat shows up pretty trashed, she drags me to her and starts dancing. Ok, whatever, she then says she wants me to come with her to the next club, she’s not feeling the people here and some friends are in the next one. Ok, that’s fine, I’m out to have fun. We dance for a bit, then we split.

 

[Aragon034]

At the next club, I meet her friends, nice people, but in the same situation…

Most of my social group fits into that giant mass of people who are either

A: in college for something either pointless like Hair or unimaginative, like accounting or cop.

B: Already working, with high school or high school equivalency, sometimes not even that.

C: maybe 15% of the people in my social circle are in university or something of higher value. Mostly guys and the 1 or 2 girls are FAT.

Meanwhile, my education is 2 years of human sciences at UofT with a major in sociology, a gifted diploma from highschool (they say my IQ is 133) and I’m currently at a private trade school in an accelerated course to my HVAC license. The minimum I can make working for a company is 60k a year and there are companies paying 180k a year for specialties (which I’m getting into).

So hate me if you will, but I can’t stand people who don’t appreciate knowledge or want something better out of life than clubbing and sex. Or aren’t willing to work for it.

Anyways, the night goes on, when I get a txt from S.

“Hey where’d you go?”

A minute later she calls.

Me: Hello?
S: Sam! Where are you? You left ma all alone you bastard!
Me: *laugh* yeah I was getting bored with that club, I’m here with Cat and her friends at such and such club.
S: Alright, I’m coming, wait up for me.

Ok, I tell Cat, she’s really wasted now, she’s all over me saying she misses us, blah blah, a lot of the guys after her are ***** men who she walks all over. Pretty sad stuff really and I refuse to hear it. Though it’s damned funny.

Cat’s actually studying to be a cop, so it’s pretty funny to see her lose her mind when she’s drinking. My joke with her is that she’s supposed to start drinking after 20 years on the force, not 20 years before.

Soon S shows up, 3 guys are with her including the dude who came up to me. S walks right up to me and hugs and kisses me, after a bit she asks me why I left the other place and I laugh and say Dude had begged me to give him a chance to game her. (not those exact words) I say I didn’t want to be forced to confront him and ruin my mood so I left with Cat.

S FREAKS, it’s hilarious to see, she walks right up to the guy as he’s standing with his drink talking to his buddy and she verbally RAPES him. It was painfully funny to watch. He actually leaves the club since everybody is looking at him and snickering.

Once she’s done we walk off and it’s not long till we’re making out right there on the dancefloor. Cat comes and joins us a few seconds into it.

Lemme paint this for you. I’m 5’7’’ with shoes on, I’m wearing my mirrored aviators and have spiky short hair, I’m wearing dark denims, and a pink shirt. I’ve got one chick bout 5’5’’ in front of me dressed as a catholic school girl (serious ****tease), grinding her pvssy and tits into me as we’re dancing. I’ve also got another chick behind me wearing a sexy black dress, both grinding me and feeling up the girl in front of me at the same time.

People were cheering us on for petes sake. It felt glorious.

The moment passes, and soon we’re sitting alone at a booth drinking more. Cat mentions she wants to go home now. I figure the same, we live in the same direction so we’ll split a cab. (it’s 2am now)

In the cab the girls sit on either side of me, both are horny as ****. Dude calls my cell phone and is pissed off. The conversation is hilarious

Me: Hello?
Dude: you mother****ing piece of ****!
Me: Yes?
Dude: What the **** did you tell S? She ****ing hates me now!
Me: I told her you liked her.
S: Who is that?
Me: It’s Dude.
Cat: Tell him to **** off!
S: **** gimme.

S takes the phone off me and keeps reaming the **** out of him. she’s saying he’s dead to her and how dare he have the audacity to think he can control her. It’s pretty funny and the cab driver is getting nervous.

I take my phone back after a second and talk to the guy.

Me: Dude, you heard the lady. Listen to me, walk away from this dude.
S: put it on speakerphone.
Cat: Yeah I wanna yell at him too.

I put it on speakerphone.

S: Hey Dude! I just want you to know I’m gonna **** Sam’s brains out tonight!
Cat: Yeah we both are!
S: Eww! *laughs*

They both start to grope me, thankfully I had secured them with their seatbelts when we got in and they’re too drunk to do much but feel me up. The cab driver is freaking out because I’m telling them to keep their hands to themselves cuz I’m on the phone

Me: Dude, if you never listen to anything else I say, listen to this, just walk away and keep some dignity.
Dude: **** off *****! I ****ing hate you ******* mother****er!

He hangs up and now I’ve got 2 horny women feeling me up in a cab. This is definitely interesting.

We get to Cat’s place and Cat invites us both in to “watch a movie and have some beer”

Now I’ve had threesomes before, but this was insane. We get into her place and it’s trashed,

I mean, you know how a person can let a mess go so far that they can’t see the floor anymore from all the clothes/beer/wrappers random garbage lying around? The entire place looked like that. Cat is pissed off but forgets about it once me and S start making out.
All three of us end up on the bed, though initially I’m only ****ing S, Cat is watching and starts rubbing herself. She said she liked watching us, I called her a freak. It’s like a scene out of a porno and eventually she gets into it as well. I’m there thinking “ok, at least SOME of those penthouse stories must be true!”

Eventually (3 bloody hours), we’re all satisfied; my **** is bruised as **** and is black and blue. My balls are in dire need of ice and are dry as a bone.

The morning comes and goes, we wake up at something like 11am, S is lying on top of e and Cat is cuddled up next to me, we chat for a bit, cuddle, and Cat tells us we’re a cute couple. I take S into the shower with me and we start up again, this time a bit more intimate.

Once we’re done we get dressed and help Cat clean up a bit.

I hadn’t drunk as much as the girls and I end up making breakfast while they’re cleaning.

Its here where everything hits me. S and Cat are talking to each other while I’m taking a piss. When I come out, S takes me over to the couch and starts talking a bit more seriously. She asks me what I want from her.

I could see it in her eyes, even though we’d talked about it the night before, and I was adamant I wasn’t after a relationship, she wanted it.

We end up agreeing to be friends, and if anything happens, it happens, but for now I’m not interested in anything other than a sexual relationship. She’s ok with that but I can tell she’s a bit disappointed.

We end up spending the day together anyway and it’s just confirmed to me that my attraction to her is purely physical. The worst part was when she said she loved the movie “Zack and Miri make a Porno” which I completely detested. I kept my cool though and now we’re basically just friends who have had sex.

Here’s where I’m at. I’ll reprise everything now as the short version.

*Start Short Version*

Basically I’m at a point in my life where I’m getting the girls I want to ****, but not the girls I want to date, My value has gone up considerably in the past few months and is on the edge of critical mass, by next summer I’ll be done school and I already have job offers from 60k to 180k. And that’s not counting my own business I want to start.

I’m now after a high value woman for a LTR, I’ve had plenty of ONS and FBs, but I want more. Despite everything I’ve learned I still want to find a woman who can be my partner in life. But I’m not going to lower my standards and end up with half my **** taken.

Saturday night I had a threesome with 2 chicks who are best friends, they worked it out and one wants to be my girlfriend, She’s got dozens of guys after her since she looks like Eva Angelina, hell she even has the glasses.

As great a **** she was, I don’t find her mentally or emotionally attractive. She doesn’t have a bright future as she’s in college for hair dressing, she’s not a slvt, but she’s just not the kind of girl I want to spend more than a few hours with at a time.

Some of you guys will tell me that there aren’t any women like that, and I’m on the edge of agreeing with you. But I can’t give up. There has to be some women out there who I can get a good LTR with, maybe even marriage if it comes to that point, who aren’t going to give me an aneurysm and are good enough in bed to satisfy my inner freak.

Guys, especially those of you in LTR, give me some hope here. What, where, how did you guys find girls worthy of your loyalty/devotion/exclusivity? How long did you have to look for them?

Rollo, if you’re there. Please give me some insight into this, AFAIK you’re the only guy on here who’s married and from what I’ve read of your posts I agree with most of what you say. I’d really appreciate some feedback.

Thanks in advance guys, it took me awhile to write all this down but it certainly helped me put things in perspective.

 

[chinwaggler]

What are you asking for? This seemed like a boast-fest to me.

Only you know what girl can satisfy your needs

 

[daygameguy]

You are having great success with women. I don't know what your standards are, or what kind of girl you really want to date, but you should think about the places where u can find girls of your standards.

 

[Aragon034]

What are you asking for? This seemed like a boast-fest to me.

Only you know what girl can satisfy your needs

i know it seems like that, but it's not what i'm after. i don't post FR too often, just the ones that have some crazy **** involved.

I guess i'm just growing up and i'm looking for something a bit more stable than what i have now.

i don't know how long it'll take to find this chick i want, but given that other DJ's have done it, i'm basically asking how long it took you guys and what problems/issues i might face.

as for my standards:

I want a chick who's smart enough to understand me when i say a word like "Superfluous". But not so conceited in her intelligence that she takes every moment to flaunt it.

preferably white, or with mild color to her, i got nothing against black chicks but i just don't find them as attractive.

She's got to have culture, but not exceedingly superficial. i've dated chicks who are all artsy at the onset but turn out to be purely superficial. The kind who if i took some dirty laundry and told her it sold for 50k at an art auction, would buy it.

She's got to be ambitious and willing to help me in my goals, i want a girl who can give me support when i need it and isn't going to try to run my life. She's also got to be willing to accept my help if she needs it. I'm not out to save-a-ho, but we've all got issues we need to talk about.

Looks are important, but i'd be willing to settle for an 7.5+ if she has everything else clicking.

I want the Bonnie to my Clyde, Partner in Life, Crime, and Death. Sounds wishy washy but at heart that's what i want.

BY no means am i saying i'm not enjoying myself now, but i realise that i can't do this forever. I'm no Hef and i have no desire to be like him.

 

[daygameguy]

you are not going to find such girls if you keep hanging out with sluts.

Do some day game in more intellectual places like a bookstore, coffee shops, and so on.

 

[On_the_Top]

Most will argue that you are too young to think this way or it is simp behavior. Even some will argue that this is not the purpose of this board (funny I always imagined it to be on setting high standards, self improvement, and expanding your abilities...)


How did I find what I wanted?

I stopped looking for potential housewives amongst a sea of *****s. Didn't put emphasis on a "trophy". I didn't limit myself to externals i.e. hair type, race, region, etc. *Don't be fooled she had to look good and take care of herself, but looks took a backseat to mindset.

What did I change?

I held high standards for myself and for any female I dated. I focused more personality than looks with still some (but not all) on upkeep. I was up front and upright, about who I was, what I was about, and what I wanted. I had the same upfront and upright expectations of her. But...yes there is a but, had to be tolerant/accepting of some said woman's quirks.
*note "gold diggers" have gotten smart, they will now date a man for his potential or his pocket change with the full expectation of pampering later or the and or running the Show(that means you!)

Some things I would consider under Personalities...

*Kindness and respect (does she respect herself and others, esp waiters/food workers, childern, animals, or anyone that she does not necessary have to be nice/respectful too..

*Ability to think for one's self (with most females being mindless slaves to pop culture or the opinions of their girlfriends, does she think and act for herself.)

*Does she know how to take care of herself and her surroundings (i.e. room)?

*Is she selfish, bratty, etc.?

*loyalty

* Where are her focuses? It is rare that you will find a college age girl who wants to be a "wife and mother" but not impossible. However are her focuses on "friends" , "MTV", and "clubbing" or building for her future i.e. successful career, graduate school, owning property, wife/mother(at some point), etc. Is past and present free of "hoeing" or attempts to become a reformed "hoe'?

*How were her relationships with past men, especially her father? Who did she date and why? *even if you can't get the full scoop how many and type should become known. If she has (had) problems with men they will manifest with you.

*Does she have common sense...my God this s the most important, so many lack it.

*How does she manage her time? *This depends on your personality and how you work things, however everyone needs some type of "order", how much varies by person.

* Does she have problem with men leading or assuming their natural/god given roles? *Note there is a difference between being domineering Mr. Beatwife with a house winch and a natural leader. Personally I have disliked feminist, however I never had much tolerance for a dependent Stepford Wife either.

Where to look?

It is up to you, the clubs aint it...

What it boils down to is patience, the ability to pick someone's brain and read someone early on, and the willingness to "chuck" em if they are on some BS or raise any major red flags. Whatever it maybe it requires patience, the ability to discern through the bull, killing the desperation, and not trying to "force" or "rush" something that is not there.



*Remember a lot of females fall for the ideaof you or what materials you have and a lot males fall for the "beauty" of a woman and disregard everything else.

 

[Aragon034]

Most will argue that you are too young to think this way or it is simp behavior. However, these are just general rules of thumb or anyone looking for a long term relationship.


How did I find what I wanted?

I stopped looking for potential housewives amongst a sea of *****s. Didn't put emphasis on a "trophy". I didn't limit myself to externals i.e. hair type, race, region, etc. *Don't be fooled she had to look good and take care of herself, but looks took a backseat to mindset.

What did I change?

I held high standards for myself and for any female I dated. I focused more personality than looks with still some (but not all) on upkeep. I was up front and upright, about who I was, what I was about, and what I wanted. I had the same upfront and upright expectations of her *note "gold diggers" have gotten smart, they will now date a man for his potential or his pocket change with the full expectation of pampering later.

Some things I would consider under Personalities

*Kindness and respect (does she respect herself and others, esp waiters/food workers, childern, animals, or anything that could be seen as "lower".)

*Ability to think for one's self (with most females being mindless slaves to pop culture or the opinions of their girlfriends, does she think and act for herself.)

*Does she know how to take care of herself and her surroundings (i.e. room)?

*Is she selfish, bratty, etc.?

*loyalty

* Where her focuses? It is rare that you will find a college age girl who wants to be a "wife and mother" but not impossible. However are her focuses on "friends" , "MTV", and "clubbing" or building for her future i.e. successful career, graduate school, owning property, wife/mother, etc.

*How were her relationships with past men, especially her father? Who did she date and why? *even if you can't get the full scoop how many and type should become known. If she has (had) problems with men they will manifest with you.

* Does she have common sense...my God this s the most important, so many lack it.

*How does she manage her time? *This depends on your personality and how you work things, however everyone needs some type of "order", how much varies by person.

* Does she have problem with men leading or assuming their natural/god given roles? *Note there is a difference between being domineering Mr. Beatwife with a house winch and a natural leader. Personally I have disliked feminist, however I never had much tolerance for a dependent Stepford Wife either.

Where to look?

It is up to you, the clubs aint it...

What it boils down to is patience, the ability to pick someone's brain and read someone early on, and the willingness to "chuck" em if they are on some BS or raise any major red flags. Whatever it maybe it requires patience, the ability to discern through the bull, killing the desperation, and not trying to "force" or "rush" something that is not there.



*Remember a lot of females fall for the ideaof you or what materials you have and a lot males fall for the "beauty" of a woman and disregard everything else.

That's quite deep, i appreciate you taking the time to write that.

I know i seem young, and i realise that i'm not gonna find a housewife instantaneously, but i want to know what would be the key factors to look for. And this is a nice list.

About looking in the wrong places, i've had bad luck with that, i've met chicks in uni who seemed intelligent and more conscious of the MTV effect as i call it, yet they all seem to fall into the same category when it suits them. No integrity.

i'll keep looking, but perhaps being in a major party town is a bit of a disadvantage. i can't tell you how many parties when i was at UofT showcased the best and brightest getting down and dirty :|