"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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amoka said:
Lol... here is a good one. I received a text message today "Just got ur message! I hadn't had my phone until now." I suspected this must be her but I wanted a confirmation so I asked " who are you?". Yup, it was her. Did not even bothered responding back to her.
I would call her up, talk to her for a minute make her laugh and ask her out just for giggles. Who knows? No need to act all bitter about it.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Vlad the Impaler said:
I would call her up, talk to her for a minute make her laugh and ask her out just for giggles. Who knows? No need to act all bitter about it.
That sounds like an idea but I have no interest in this chick.
 

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amoka said:
That sounds like an idea but I have no interest in this chick.
Expect another call or text from her.
You sent her several comms which she ignored UNTIL she felt that you had given up on her. So she then texted you with that lame message to test whether you were still on the end of that looooong string .

Your silence will likely trigger a further pursuit by her . Women hate silence from a guy who has showed interest - it is experienced as rejection by them.
 
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Expect another call or text from her.
You sent her several comms which she ignored UNTIL she felt that you had given up on her. So she then texted you with that lame message to test whether you were still on the end of that looooong string .

Your silence will likely trigger a further pursuit by her . Women hate silence from a guy who has showed interest - it is experienced as rejection by them.

This is so true. I've been busy lately, so I have been completely ignoring my other "plates" who I don't care about anymore like the religious Brazilian. I ignored a few texts and a call from her.

Now she is chasing me, telling me she misses me and things like that.

It leads back to my new philosophy which isn't new at all. Treat them like sh!t and they will love you. Love them and they will be gone. The game sucks but that's how it is.
 
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Vlad the Impaler said:
I would call her up, talk to her for a minute make her laugh and ask her out just for giggles. Who knows? No need to act all bitter about it.

Piranha neg repped me for this.

Care to explain why?

First of all if it was true having no interest in this woman, this thread would not exist. I saw right through that post.

Secondly, the OP was obviously very bitter about what transpired with this woman.

Thirdly, if you really didn't care there is no issue with calling her up. She texted you and you are still complaining and feeling butthurt. Yeah delete her # and ignore her and ask who she is. That will teach her.

This place is still filled with bitterness that will never change I guess.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Awww, don't be so hard on amoka. Maybe he's changed his sentiment. He's entitled to a change of heart.

I was about 12 years old when my family went to visit friends of theirs, and they had a 12 year old daughter who attempted to give me a kiss on the cheek when greeting me (they were European) and I dodged it. For the next hour, it was like a game: she kept running after me trying to land a kiss on me, I kept dodging. That's the day I learned a girl will chase you when you're not interested in her.

>> Yeah delete her # and ignore her and ask who she is. That will teach her.>>

That's one way to send the message. A few months ago while I was out one night, I bumped into a chick that I got rid of in 2005. Real PITA. Oh, I was all "hey, you look great! It's nice to see you!" and smiles, but I'm not interested, just being civil. She calls two weeks later and leaves a message about how nice it was to see me again (she still has my number!) and she's been thinking of me since and yadda, yadda, give her a call. I didn't. There's the message being sent right there... and I don't have to use up any minutes.
 
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Mr. Me said:
Awww, don't be so hard on amoka. Maybe he's changed his sentiment. He's entitled to a change of heart.

I was about 12 years old when my family went to visit friends of theirs, and they had a 12 year old daughter who attempted to give me a kiss on the cheek when greeting me (they were European) and I dodged it. For the next hour, it was like a game: she kept running after me trying to land a kiss on me, I kept dodging. That's the day I learned a girl will chase you when you're not interested in her.

>> Yeah delete her # and ignore her and ask who she is. That will teach her.>>

That's one way to send the message. A few months ago while I was out one night, I bumped into a chick that I got rid of in 2005. Real PITA. Oh, I was all "hey, you look great! It's nice to see you!" and smiles, but I'm not interested, just being civil. She calls two weeks later and leaves a message about how nice it was to see me again (she still has my number!) and she's been thinking of me since and yadda, yadda, give her a call. I didn't. There's the message being sent right there... and I don't have to use up any minutes.
Amoka is cool Pirahna is the one who has been stalking me ever since I started posting in this forum and now I am getting neg reps without any explanations. The hate is evident but it's cool I understand that too. When I was a symp I HATED reading about guys having success. It killed me inside so I understand what is happening here.

I was just trying to make a point that I think this girl frustrated Amoka he started caring too much about the outcome. When you don't care is when you act confidently and do whatever you want. That's why I thought he should have called her when he got that text.

If you can get them on the phone, and grab the womans attention for a few minutes and make her laugh you can make her interest high again.

When frustration sets in you lose opportunities.
 

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Vlad, it's kinda like in business, you get a lead and you qualify it, and it's either a good prospect or not. If it's not, then you're not going to get anywhere with it, you move on to the next prospect instead of spinning your wheels. Lots of guys here spin their wheels trying to make silk out of a sow's ear, that's what lots of threads just like this one is about.
 
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