You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
And that's the FR. Really don't care if this benefits any of you guys, cause in the end I had fun.Me: Hey.
Her: Hey.
[Sort of a pause]
Me: So you just sitting here chilling?
Her: Yeah, I'm waiting to go inside.
Me: Waiting? If you want to go inside you should just go inside.
Her: Yeah, but I just got back from my Karate class.
Me: Wait! You take Karate? Haha, that's awesome.
Me: I could see you being like the next Bruce Lee and having your own movie.
[Then I did this karate kick type thing along with some Karate noises and she's just laughing]
Me: Yeah, you got to teach me that. Last time I took karate was back when Pokemon was cool, you remember Pokemon?
Her: Yeah, but I was like 10 back then.
Me: Yeah...
[Then I did some Pikachu impressions and some Team Rocket impressions and she's just laughing]
Blah blah blah... I asked her major eventually she tells me it's "public relations" or some sh*t where she basically makes company look good and I joke around with her about that. Then I tell her to guess my major, giving her a clue(I basically did this guitar thing) and then we got talking to music. So eventually she tells me she played in jazz band...
Me: Wait, you were in Jazz Band? Don't even kid with me on that stuff! Jazz is my thing!
Her: Yeah, I played trumpet in jazz band.
Me: Yeah, I used to be in Jazz Band myself. What year did you do Jazz Band?
Her: Well, I did it back in middle school.
Me: Ah, back in middle school. Yeah, but I played bass in my High School Jazz Band so I know a little about that.
Then I plow about jazz.
Her: Yeah, middle school was the year I quit music.
Plow about that a little more... And going to the closer(Don't remember it THAT well, so will probably be a little inaccurate).
Me: Well, yeah, I had a nice time talking to you, but I'm probably gonna go. What's your name?
Her: Carly.
Me: Cool my name's Mike. But yeah look Carly I had a fun time with you and I want to hang out. Do you have a Facebook?
Her: Yeah.
Me: What is it?
She gives me her Facebook and stuff.
Me: Alright, so if I just leave you a message would that be okay?
Her: Yeah.
Me: Cool.
Me: But before I go we're gonna have a secret handshake...
Blah blah we do the secret handshake and then...
Me: Alright see ya Carly!
And end.
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
Oh, I totally get you. No negs, ****y funny, MM, no material and you're not an alpha male. Totally got you. And you know what, I don't really care I'm practicing. Think I said this before but, EVERYTIME I TALKED TO A GIRL I'M NOT TRYING TO GET LAID.daygameguy said:I can sense the guys are gonna fvcking flame you for all your pokemon and karate noises LMAO. God, you're gonna get raped in this thread.
But overall here's my interpretation:
TOO MUCH SMALL TALK
Where is the attraction bro? Where is the ****y funny/ negs/ MM/ RSD/ natural alpha male testosterone filled material ??
Scrap your game man. Change it ASAP! You can have fun with what you are doing, befriend all the girls you meet, but this forum is to help guys truly ATTRACT the opposite sex.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
I agree with you Daygameguy. When I first saw this thread,I was like "Man,they're going to unload on this guy",and that's why I wasn't going to reply at first. But yeah,too much talk by you,ElStud. It's not that a lot of talking is bad,it's just that you didn't really seem to be going anywhere with the conversation. Also,the girl didn't seem to contribute anything to the conversation. Instead of the two of you really vibing and connecting with each other,it seemed more like a question/answer interview. Also,the making karate moves and Pikachu noises: It was like you were playing a game of "Sharades" or something. She didn't seem like she was interested,she just seemed to be tolerating you talking to her. But despited all that,you have one thing going for you:at least you FINALLY made a good,detailed accurate account of a interaction with a girl.daygameguy said:I can sense the guys are gonna fvcking flame you for all your pokemon and karate noises LMAO. God, you're gonna get raped in this thread.
But overall here's my interpretation:
TOO MUCH SMALL TALK
Where is the attraction bro? Where is the ****y funny/ negs/ MM/ RSD/ natural alpha male testosterone filled material ??
Scrap your game man. Change it ASAP! You can have fun with what you are doing, befriend all the girls you meet, but this forum is to help guys truly ATTRACT the opposite sex.
Listen dude. There is a time and place for everything. I TOTALLY agree that you can have genuine friendship with girls without trying to get laid. BUT, since you posted a serious FR, I assumed you had her as a target (a girl you want to mate with)... So obviously the attraction part was completely missing which I pointed out.ElStud said:Oh, I totally get you. No negs, ****y funny, MM, no material and you're not an alpha male. Totally got you. And you know what, I don't really care I'm practicing. Think I said this before but, EVERYTIME I TALKED TO A GIRL I'M NOT TRYING TO GET LAID.
What I'm trying to do is just screen a girl and see if she's a cool person. You know, I don't give a f*ck what she thinks, I'm thinking "Do I have a genuine interest in this girl, can she hang out with me?". Going up there just for the sake of eventually wanting to get laid is just screaming "I take value! Please reject me!".
Besides, it's not all about words, cause as you see the girl was actually laughing. I'm surprised some of you DO get laid with all your bad beliefs. "OMG! IF I MAKE KARATE NOISES SHE'LL REJECT ME" grow up. First problem, you care too much what she thinks, second of all, you're taking game too seriously. Just have genuine fun with the girl.
Oh yeah and also the fact that you're basically trying to say "WOW, IF YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO F*CK EVERY GIRL YOU TALK TO YOU'RE NOT AN ALPHA MALE" which is bull.
Nope. Simply improvement. And how do you know the girl wasn't attracted? You weren't there were you?daygameguy said:Listen dude. There is a time and place for everything. I TOTALLY agree that you can have genuine friendship with girls without trying to get laid. BUT, since you posted a serious FR, I assumed you had her as a target (a girl you want to mate with)... So obviously the attraction part was completely missing which I pointed out.
An alpha male can make pokemon noises and stuff, befriend ladies, choose not to get laid, but he also knows what he is doing.
You seem to be unsure about your intentions when you talk to girls.
This is a men's dating forum for a reason. Your FRs should show some attraction and results of you getting the girl. Don't you agree?
How is it improvement if all your FRs are about small talk? Improving happens when you move to the next level. I don't see any level up in your case.ElStud said:Nope. Simply improvement.
How can you prove that she WAS attracted? If you can't, then she wasn't.ElStud said:And how do you know the girl wasn't attracted? You weren't there were you?
The general idea around here seems to be she aint sucking you're d*ck after the opener, she aint attracted.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Ever heard of RSD? Aint all bout the words man. Geek can say the best opener in the world, use the best routine and fail it. Meanwhile a confident alpha male can use it and it will work charms. Words don't mean a thing. I mean for crying out loud, I've opened girls going "Boo!" and "Cowabunga!".daygameguy said:How is it improvement if all your FRs are about small talk? Improving happens when you move to the next level. I don't see any level up in your case.
How can you prove that she WAS attracted? If you can't, then she wasn't.
Stop playing roulette with this attraction thing. Get it taken care of. EVERY time you open a girl, she should be attracted to you before you number close. Else you are doing something wrong.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
I've said this before and you guys are butt pirates. I don't care about getting the girl. I care about having fun. If sex comes great. And also like I said, you're still following the "She didn't suck your d*ck, she's not attracted" logic. Attraction aint something you can see from words. And I can tell you're an ass pirate cause you care too much about attraction. Who gives a sh*t if she's attracted, as I've stated 1000 times, I'm doing this for me not her. She's attracted, great, she's not, I'll live. Way I see it, I approach several sets a day, so it doesn't really bother me if one girl isn't attracted. Hell, it doesn't bother me if none of the broads are attracted, as long as me and her are having a good time.daygameguy said:RSD guys get the girl. If you are claiming to follow RSD and not getting attraction (the first step to courtship), then stop hiding under the RSD umbrella.
Your idea of fun is your own. That's fine bro. But if you POST an FR, on a men's dating forum, there MUST be some motive to get the girl...you can ask advice if that is not happening...but i don't understand how you are going to improve if you keep having fun doing small talk...and being completely satisfied with it.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.