Delta Male
Don Juan
- Joined
- Mar 30, 2005
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Hey guys, this is a new handle but I'm not new to sosuave. I've been on these boards for about three years, and actively sarging for about six months. I’d describe myself as a DJ/semi-PUA, I usually get laid by meeting girls casually, but I’ve only laid girls off cold approaches twice, neither of whom reached conversion. I’m looking forward to this summer, where I can take this **** to the next level and get an awesome group of GFs off cold approaches.
I met with Dimitri and Vincent yesterday for a job interview for an internship for RSI, doing various web design and business tasks for them. I show up in shirt and tie, looking like I’m interviewing for a job at Goldman Sachs or something. Dimitri soon lets me know that’s not the case – he and Vincent don’t run RSI like a big corporation, more like a small personal partnership. Dimitri and Vincent are not extraordinary businessmen in the corporate sense, they are extraordinary pick-up artists, and the main skills I will learn from them are pick-up skills. I’m down with that, so they hire me. Sweet.
Then they both talk to me a little about the style of game which they run. I like it because it’s very congruent with the style I want to develop – very few routines, direct, and relying heavily on the strong inner belief that you are truly attractive to demonstrate value. I’ve heard them talk before at one of their free mini-seminars, but it’s much more inspiring hearing them one on one.
VincentI think is one of the most under-credited guys in the community, because he doesn’t post that much. He’s living the kind of lifestyle I envision for myself in a few years…I think he has five girlfriends right now, which is very impressive especially because he looks for a very specific physical type of girls. Also, one of his girlfriends pays for stuff for him all the time and is providing all the venture capital for RSI (!). His main strength is of course massive amounts of inner game. He also has a good technical knowledge of the game, a good fashion sense, and awesome tonality.
Dimitri is a much different character. He’s living the same lifestyle of multiple relationships with beautiful women. But, he isn’t well dressed like Vincent, nor does he have his slow, dominant voice. In fact, Dimitri pointed this out to me – from the layman’s point of view, I have every advantage possible over him. I’m dressed to kill in my bright blue shirt, white tie, and black pinstripe slacks, while he’s dressed nondescriptly in a jean jacket and a t-shirt. I’ve spent three days a week for the last five years in the gym, he has not. I have a cool spiky hairstyle, he badly needs a haircut and a shave. I have social status by going to BU and being in a fraternity, he’s a gambler. You get the idea. But despite all this, Dimitri keeps multiple GFs happy with ease, while I struggle to maintain one. And he’s picking up new girls all the time. He said, the difference between his level of game and mine is one of inner beliefs. He’s an exceptionally good talker, that’s the only way I can think of to describe it.
Talking to these guys put me in a great state to go sarging. We hit up Barnes and Noble in the Copley mall first. I approach a lonewolf direct, she’s married. At this point I’m not down with married chicks, so I eject. Vincent gives me some pointers on the approach, says that I should have kept going anyways and not have gotten fazed by it. Even if I didn’t want married chicks, they’re good practice for chicks that have boyfriends or say they have boyfriends. This makes sense.
Next is a lonewolf Asian girl studying in Starbucks who Vincent points out to me. He tells me to approach her and ask her if the chair across from her is open. So, I head in.
Dan: Hey, what’s up.
HBAsian: [stonefaced]
Dan: Is that chair open? (gesturing to empty chair)
HBAsian: I don’t know you!!! (Stomps away all mad)
Wow, I’m such a smoooooooooth pimp. Vincent's pointers on this approach: First, I should have approached from the other side of the table (near the empty chair), not near her side of the table. Also, I should have waited for her to respond before I kept talking. Now obviously this chick was in a bad state of mind and not disposed to be opened, so this probably wouldn’t have made a difference for this approach. But, it’s good to keep in mind for future sit-down approaches.
Next, I approach a chick sitting down reading some book direct. I follow up with, what are you reading? She shows me a book called “What to expect when you’re expecting,” then she tells me she’s pregnant. Haha, good times. I have the best taste in women ever.
Next set is a four set of Asian girls sitting in the food court. I open with “who lies more,” they don’t respond very well to it. I pull up a chair anways, and Vincent comes up and does the same. They never really open up though, and eventually they leave. Woodhaven post-set debrief: I need to work on my voice. First, I need to project more dominance, and second I need to be more loud. Also, I was sitting too far away from the set, I should have pulled my chair right up to the table.
We cruise around the mall some more looking for sets, and approach a two-set of white girls near Legal Sea Foods. I open them with “how long should you wait to call a girl,” which is not Vincent's style of opener, but he plays along with it well, and switches topics quickly, which is essential for indirect openers talking about dumb **** like that. We have a short conversation – then he actually turns to me and says flat out, “Close now if you’re going to close.” If a regular guy said this it would come off as totally weird, but the girls weren’t creeped out at all because he said it with such authority and like it was a normal thing to say. I #close the blonde girl while he occupies the other girl, and we head out.
This seems like really fast to me, because I have lots of problem with flaking. I point this out to Vincent, and he tells me that that is about the usual length his sets are, and he gets ZERO flakes. As in NONE. This is mind-blowing to me, because I’m still at the stage where maybe 1 in 5 of my numbers will pan out into a day2. He explains to me the various reasons why he can do this, and I won’t steal his thunder on this one because I know he was planning on coming out with a big post about this soon.
I’m still not really understanding this, so he opens a two-set of Asian girls walking by to demonstrate how you don’t need to be in set for any more than a minute to get a number which won’t flake. He opens a two set of Asian girls by opening the one on the left direct, she’s into him right away, and they stop to talk to him. I catch up and jump into the convo right after the opener:
HB: Omg, thanks. I’m from Florida though, I’m just visiting.
Vincent: Oh, you’re from Florida? But you’re perfect for me, I love you! (I’m serious!!!)
HB: (giggles, she’s loving it)
Vincent: (Fluffs about something for about 15 seconds). Hey, why don’t you give me your email.
HB: (turns to the other girl) Haha, he wants my email (It was weird, like she was bragging about it or something)
I give her a pen, and she writes down her email for him. THIS WHOLE APPROACH WAS UNDER THIRTY SECONDS FROM OPENING TO CLOSING. That’s all he needed to get the girl attracted – and he didn’t use any surface attraction gimmicks like negs or backturns to pump her BT. While all this is happening, I’m talking with the other girl we talk for about thirty seconds then I #close. Normally I could never do this, but it was easy this time because I was in such a good state, and also because I was socially proofed well by Woodhaven.
This showed me the value of live demonstration over reading words on a computer screen. If I had logged onto sosuave.com and read a post by some random DJ saying that talking to a girl longer doesn’t increase your chances of closing or decrease the chances of her flaking, I’d be like, heh, bull****. But to see it done in real life right in front of your nose thoroughly destroys those limiting beliefs.
I met with Dimitri and Vincent yesterday for a job interview for an internship for RSI, doing various web design and business tasks for them. I show up in shirt and tie, looking like I’m interviewing for a job at Goldman Sachs or something. Dimitri soon lets me know that’s not the case – he and Vincent don’t run RSI like a big corporation, more like a small personal partnership. Dimitri and Vincent are not extraordinary businessmen in the corporate sense, they are extraordinary pick-up artists, and the main skills I will learn from them are pick-up skills. I’m down with that, so they hire me. Sweet.
Then they both talk to me a little about the style of game which they run. I like it because it’s very congruent with the style I want to develop – very few routines, direct, and relying heavily on the strong inner belief that you are truly attractive to demonstrate value. I’ve heard them talk before at one of their free mini-seminars, but it’s much more inspiring hearing them one on one.
VincentI think is one of the most under-credited guys in the community, because he doesn’t post that much. He’s living the kind of lifestyle I envision for myself in a few years…I think he has five girlfriends right now, which is very impressive especially because he looks for a very specific physical type of girls. Also, one of his girlfriends pays for stuff for him all the time and is providing all the venture capital for RSI (!). His main strength is of course massive amounts of inner game. He also has a good technical knowledge of the game, a good fashion sense, and awesome tonality.
Dimitri is a much different character. He’s living the same lifestyle of multiple relationships with beautiful women. But, he isn’t well dressed like Vincent, nor does he have his slow, dominant voice. In fact, Dimitri pointed this out to me – from the layman’s point of view, I have every advantage possible over him. I’m dressed to kill in my bright blue shirt, white tie, and black pinstripe slacks, while he’s dressed nondescriptly in a jean jacket and a t-shirt. I’ve spent three days a week for the last five years in the gym, he has not. I have a cool spiky hairstyle, he badly needs a haircut and a shave. I have social status by going to BU and being in a fraternity, he’s a gambler. You get the idea. But despite all this, Dimitri keeps multiple GFs happy with ease, while I struggle to maintain one. And he’s picking up new girls all the time. He said, the difference between his level of game and mine is one of inner beliefs. He’s an exceptionally good talker, that’s the only way I can think of to describe it.
Talking to these guys put me in a great state to go sarging. We hit up Barnes and Noble in the Copley mall first. I approach a lonewolf direct, she’s married. At this point I’m not down with married chicks, so I eject. Vincent gives me some pointers on the approach, says that I should have kept going anyways and not have gotten fazed by it. Even if I didn’t want married chicks, they’re good practice for chicks that have boyfriends or say they have boyfriends. This makes sense.
Next is a lonewolf Asian girl studying in Starbucks who Vincent points out to me. He tells me to approach her and ask her if the chair across from her is open. So, I head in.
Dan: Hey, what’s up.
HBAsian: [stonefaced]
Dan: Is that chair open? (gesturing to empty chair)
HBAsian: I don’t know you!!! (Stomps away all mad)
Wow, I’m such a smoooooooooth pimp. Vincent's pointers on this approach: First, I should have approached from the other side of the table (near the empty chair), not near her side of the table. Also, I should have waited for her to respond before I kept talking. Now obviously this chick was in a bad state of mind and not disposed to be opened, so this probably wouldn’t have made a difference for this approach. But, it’s good to keep in mind for future sit-down approaches.
Next, I approach a chick sitting down reading some book direct. I follow up with, what are you reading? She shows me a book called “What to expect when you’re expecting,” then she tells me she’s pregnant. Haha, good times. I have the best taste in women ever.
Next set is a four set of Asian girls sitting in the food court. I open with “who lies more,” they don’t respond very well to it. I pull up a chair anways, and Vincent comes up and does the same. They never really open up though, and eventually they leave. Woodhaven post-set debrief: I need to work on my voice. First, I need to project more dominance, and second I need to be more loud. Also, I was sitting too far away from the set, I should have pulled my chair right up to the table.
We cruise around the mall some more looking for sets, and approach a two-set of white girls near Legal Sea Foods. I open them with “how long should you wait to call a girl,” which is not Vincent's style of opener, but he plays along with it well, and switches topics quickly, which is essential for indirect openers talking about dumb **** like that. We have a short conversation – then he actually turns to me and says flat out, “Close now if you’re going to close.” If a regular guy said this it would come off as totally weird, but the girls weren’t creeped out at all because he said it with such authority and like it was a normal thing to say. I #close the blonde girl while he occupies the other girl, and we head out.
This seems like really fast to me, because I have lots of problem with flaking. I point this out to Vincent, and he tells me that that is about the usual length his sets are, and he gets ZERO flakes. As in NONE. This is mind-blowing to me, because I’m still at the stage where maybe 1 in 5 of my numbers will pan out into a day2. He explains to me the various reasons why he can do this, and I won’t steal his thunder on this one because I know he was planning on coming out with a big post about this soon.
I’m still not really understanding this, so he opens a two-set of Asian girls walking by to demonstrate how you don’t need to be in set for any more than a minute to get a number which won’t flake. He opens a two set of Asian girls by opening the one on the left direct, she’s into him right away, and they stop to talk to him. I catch up and jump into the convo right after the opener:
HB: Omg, thanks. I’m from Florida though, I’m just visiting.
Vincent: Oh, you’re from Florida? But you’re perfect for me, I love you! (I’m serious!!!)
HB: (giggles, she’s loving it)
Vincent: (Fluffs about something for about 15 seconds). Hey, why don’t you give me your email.
HB: (turns to the other girl) Haha, he wants my email (It was weird, like she was bragging about it or something)
I give her a pen, and she writes down her email for him. THIS WHOLE APPROACH WAS UNDER THIRTY SECONDS FROM OPENING TO CLOSING. That’s all he needed to get the girl attracted – and he didn’t use any surface attraction gimmicks like negs or backturns to pump her BT. While all this is happening, I’m talking with the other girl we talk for about thirty seconds then I #close. Normally I could never do this, but it was easy this time because I was in such a good state, and also because I was socially proofed well by Woodhaven.
This showed me the value of live demonstration over reading words on a computer screen. If I had logged onto sosuave.com and read a post by some random DJ saying that talking to a girl longer doesn’t increase your chances of closing or decrease the chances of her flaking, I’d be like, heh, bull****. But to see it done in real life right in front of your nose thoroughly destroys those limiting beliefs.
