FR: air hostess

[Bingo-Player]

i haven't been around here much this year partly because theres plenty of others posting solid stuff and I just don't have the time anymore to post basic advice but il still check in when i can to post updates on my life because to be fair Ive learnt a hell of a lot from this site

ok so I've been away in holland all weekend ( amazing place btw if theres any dutch don jaun's here the women are incredible )

on the way out there i get chatting to this air hostess on tinder she must have been in the airport or something i explain I'm going away for the weekend and blah blah and anyway it turns out she lives about an hour away from me so we exchange numbers and agree to meet when i get back because she's got a couple days off too

initially she wants to meet on monday night which is no good for me because id be coming straight off a plane to go on a date which isn't good for me

we agree on tuesday ( today ) and agree to meet halfway which actually suits me as i love the city she wants to meet in

she's chatty on whatsapp on the lead up and I'm pretty relaxed about meeting her......she arrives before me and whatsapps me to let me know she's going to try some shoes on in the shopping centre before i arrive lol

i was running late so i didn't mind, i park up and i spot her sitting on a bench outside one of the shops , i quickly pop to the toilet to check I'm looking sharp and then proceed to sneak up behind her
(she knew i was close )

il be honest and say i wasn't really sure what to expect from her looks wise i don't trust photos, and on her Facebook she's one of those girls that looks really good in some pics and not so good in others

we start chatting and the conversation flows nicely , i wouldn't say we exactly had electric chemistry but i was definitely physically attracted to her because i could feel a twitch in my pants when she was close to me

we head off out of the shopping centre to the beach to some place she knows i tell her she can drive as i don't know the area very well , finally after a walk around the beach we head to an italian restaurant to grab some food and drinks this is where i start ramping up the kino

i place my leg dominantly between both of hers underneath the table and she doesnt object so i just leave it there , then she asks if we can take a snapchat so she can send it to her friends i oblige and move next to her putting my arm around her again no objections

we eat our food and drinks and i ask for the bill , now this is where a red flag crops up .....she makes absolutely no effort or attempt to offer to pay towards the bill ,it isn't particularly expensive but its enough for someone to at least offer to chip in but no nothing from her

(with it being a first date and because she drove all day and paid for parking i let it slide , but i will admit it stuck in my head like a sore thumb)

we leave the restaurant in good sprits and she starts driving me back to my car , i mention something about the traffic being heavy at this time of day and she instantly suggests we go get some ice cream and sit in the park , it had been a long day at this point and to be honest i was ready to go home but she seemed like she genuinely wanted to spend more time with me so i agreed

we go get ice cream and I'm half expecting her to pick up the bill.......... but again nothing :l ( another red flag)

we go to sit on the grass in the park and this is where she becomes quite affectionate holding my hand and teasing me about stuff ......at this point I'm starting to get quite attracted to her but now its starting to get really late and i have a long drive home so i tell her i have to go

she drops me off at my car and i kiss her, she tells me to get in touch soon

now to be honest after what i thought was a very smooth date i assumed she would have blown my phone up by now , but no theres been total radio silence

il admit and say I've been toying with the idea of messaging her to say i enjoyed but experience gives me the benefit of knowing this is a stupid idea

and also because she never offered to put her hand in her pocket all day it makes it a really stupid idea

now theres two scenarios here which could play out

1) she's playing it extremely cool ( i did mention in conversation that i found needy women unattractive)

2) she's taken me for a ride benefitted from a free meal and ice cream and il never hear from her ever again

il keep you posted on what happens , will be really interesting if its the latter because if it is she really managed to fly under my radar and il need to make modifications to my game

 

[Yewki]

She was DTF but you didn't go for it. At the very least she expected you to try. The rest is just noise

 

[CMNILS87]

FACEPALM........

 

[Serenity]

1. You leave because it's late rather than continuing to see where it leads. Sure you're tired, which is a valid reason. She might still take it as a sign you're not THAT interested.
2. Paying doesn't score any points, asking to split the bill is fair and shouldn't really make you lose any points. Don't make a problem out of it, that will lose you some points.
3. If you said you found needy women unattractive that might along with point one make her conscious not to put too much effort into seeking you out, that leaves it up to you to initiate things boss.

From this I would conclude that you probably have to contact her first anyways. If she doesn't initiate it could be because of the
above reasons and she assumes you're not interested, thus leaving you alone. If you never hear from her you'll never know the truth. If she doesn't initiate and you don't initiate you'll never know the truth.

So if you don't initiate contact first you run the risk of it growing cold and never actually knowing why.

 

[amazingswayze]

If I was a girl and all I had to do was kiss a guy to have my night of food, drinks, and ice cream paid for;

I probably would...

 

[marmel75]

People continue to do things backwards and expect different results...

Spending more money without enough escalation gets you nothing.

Spending less money with more escalation gets you laid.

But yet we continue to read report after report of guys doing the same thing over and over again, which DOESN'T work, BTW, and then wonder why they are not getting the result they wanted.

"Great dates", "fun", "holding hands", "IOI's", "chemistry" mean NOTHING if you are not escalating to the point of heavy makeouts AT LEAST, AND at minimum, 2 attempts at putting her hand on your c0ck...

That is the BARE MINMUM for you to think anything further might come of a date. In other words, if you do not accomplish those two things on a date, assume you will be nexted for lack of escalation. And you should be pushing further than that on the dates towards getting her back to your place or going to her place.

My take on this situation---you could have banged this chick for under $20. Air hostesses are notoriously easy. A drink at a bar, escalate hard and invite back to your place. Instead you spent a bunch of money and got nothing.

 

[Bingo-Player]

1. You leave because it's late rather than continuing to see where it leads. Sure you're tired, which is a valid reason. She might still take it as a sign you're not THAT interested.
2. Paying doesn't score any points, asking to split the bill is fair and shouldn't really make you lose any points. Don't make a problem out of it, that will lose you some points.
3. If you said you found needy women unattractive that might along with point one make her conscious not to put too much effort into seeking you out, that leaves it up to you to initiate things boss.

From this I would conclude that you probably have to contact her first anyways. If she doesn't initiate it could be because of the
above reasons and she assumes you're not interested, thus leaving you alone. If you never hear from her you'll never know the truth. If she doesn't initiate and you don't initiate you'll never know the truth.

So if you don't initiate contact first you run the risk of it growing cold and never actually knowing why.

I'm replying to everyone with this , but just quoting @Grewd as he covered the most ground with his post

ok first off logistically a first date bang was never going to happen i knew that before i even left my house , she lived about 45 mins away from our meeting point i live around an hour away

too add to that we both still live in family houses and there was no way in hell i was going to fork out 100 quid for a hotel in a city centre for half hour of rump n pump

secondly I'm way past the point of just bedding women now , i slept with 40 chicks in the last 3 years and i think I'm happy to say I've got the whole "i need sex with strangers" thing mostly out of my system

no now I'm looking for something else I'm looking for that raw attraction you sometimes get with a girl ,it s rare but it definitely exists and its gold when you connect with a woman mentally and THEN have sex with her the whole game changes

i don't think the girl in this FR came anywhere close to what I'm looking for but there definitely was enough physical attraction between us to warrant a second date which i was cool with until she started playing

this is the first woman I've properly "dated" in almost 3 years and now i remember why i said guys were stupid for dating

heres a brief update......

after radio silence last night i woke up this morning to find someone i knew had died in a car crash.....he was 24

i conclude life is too short to mess around playing games , i show my hand and ask her if she's coming to visit

i know after 20 mins of no reply Im screwed , i pack a bag and head out by myself for the day

at around she 5.30pm she messages to say she's been busy and sorry she couldn't make it........ lol

I'm half tempted to call her out but i wouldn't gain anything from it and i decide to leave the door open by answering with some empty small talk and thats the end of that

looking back through the last 48 hours theres several points I'm going to outline both for myself and for others who are still attempting to date these days

1) it doesn't matter how innocent or stupid a woman looks when it comes to dating she knows a mans mind like the back of her hand

2) always make a note of wether she offers to put her hand in her pocket when the bill comes its up to you to decide wether to accept or not but if she doesn't then I'm happy to say thats a massive red flag

3) ALWAYS let her initiate contact after the date its really hard but if you've gone that far you've got to stick to your guns........this was the biggest red flag i could have possibly asked for when she didn't even bother to say thanks for the day out yet i choose to ignore


be careful guys chicks look cute and sexy but inside they are ruthless

 

[marmel75]

That's a lot of women to still be making basic mistakes...just saying.

 

[Bingo-Player]

That's a lot of women to still be making basic mistakes...just saying.

that maybe so

but i find there is a hell of a difference between having one night of random sex and maintaing something over a period with a woman

i find getting a chick into bed isnt that difficult under the right circumstances but building something worthwhile with her is.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

after radio silence last night i woke up this morning to find someone i knew had died in a car crash.....he was 24

i conclude life is too short to mess around playing games , i show my hand and ask her if she's coming to visit

i know after 20 mins of no reply Im screwed , i pack a bag and head out by myself for the day

at around she 5.30pm she messages to say she's been busy and sorry she couldn't make it........ lol

I'm half tempted to call her out but i wouldn't gain anything from it and i decide to leave the door open by answering with some empty small talk and thats the end of that

You're the one playing games. What do you have to gain by calling her out? You only want to do this in an effort to put her in her place and even if you do, what do you gain? Satisfaction? Your ego being satiated for a moment knowing you called this woman out?

Did it get you laid? Nope.

I agree with others that you probably could have banged her immediately. Always keep escalating until you're blowing your load in her pu$$y. Extreme, maybe...but accurate.

 

[Bingo-Player]

You're the one playing games. What do you have to gain by calling her out? You only want to do this in an effort to put her in her place and even if you do, what do you gain? Satisfaction? Your ego being satiated for a moment knowing you called this woman out?

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nothing .......as i said in black and white up there lmao thats why i left it.

READ before you post

 

[Von]

Air hotess are instant one night stand.

You in control. You decide.

But you lost this case, next one