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As I'm going on so many dates these days I decided I'm going to start contributing more field reports. On one hand, other guys here might learn from what I'm doing right, on the other, I'm hoping some of you may be able to point out where I'm going wrong.

Anyway, I've been speaking to a girl from POF the past 2 weeks. She was new to the site and she was the one who initiated conversation with me. Not only was she hot and easy to chat to, she had never done net dating before and seemed different to the usual POF serial daters.

We arranged a date in her city, about 2 hours away from me. She admitted to being scared about meeting me and felt more comfortable on her own turf. I had no problem with that.

She met me at the train station and we greeted each other with a polite peck on the cheek. She told me how relieved she was that I was who I claimed to be. She was just as hot as her pictures and her initial vibes towards me seemed positive.

We went for a drink nearby and conversation flowed naturally. Very naturally as a matter of fact. The past few dates I've been on have felt very robotic, almost like a questions and answers session or formulaic conversations. I found those dates quite boring and I'm sure the girls did too. This time it felt different. She got my dry sense of humour and I got hers, and within an hour we were laughing and had a great rapport going. I neg hit her a few times, adding a touch of c+f, all in the right context and quantity. I really felt like I was back on form and everything was just flowing perfectly. I realise that when you're on a date, your instincts can tell you a lot. In some cases (as with my last few dates), conversation can feel laboured and lifeless, you start thinking about the "right" things to say, about how you should be sitting or behaving etc, but then in other cases, everything just happens so effortlessly and you can just relax and be yourself.

So, after an hour in this bar she suggested we visit a nature park nearby. It was a really beautiful place and we walked by a lake, got some ice cream and sat watching the sun go down. Although very tempted, I held back from kissing her and I also curbed the sexual talk for the time being, as it was still so soon into the date. Besides, things were going well and I had decided to let this date take its natural course rather than trying to force things to happen - something that tends to backfire on a lot of dates.

We went from there to some historical sites, stopped for a drink and a chat at a quaint old bar where we sat outside and continued talking. I told her some stories and anecdotes and I encouraged her to speak about herself, her interests and achievements and really showed interest in what she was telling me. We got talking about deja vu, the occult and dreams, and I told her about a really beautiful dream I had some years ago. She told me she was so gripped and quite moved by my telling of it. It was obvious by now she was really into me. I was getting such positive vibes and she told me what a great day she'd had with me and how well she thought we clicked. I still hadn't found my opportunity to kiss her, but I had started raising the sexual tension a little. I brought up some of the naked photos she'd sent to me a few days ago and told her it was good to see she matched up. She got a little embarrassed and we laughed about how much bolder you feel sending these pics or sexual texts, but how much more tense it is when you meet in person. She took it in good fun and I let the subject drop before it got uncomfortable.

Unfortunately it was getting late and my last train was due in 30 mins. We decided to go to another bar along the way to the station. We sat next to each other on a cosy sofa and she repeated how she was having such a good time with me and told me she didn't want the date to end. She very apprehensively invited me to stay over at her place. She said she was worried about offering as it might sound too forward and scare me off. Naturally I took her up on the offer. We finished our drinks and had a nice walk back to her appartment, where we chilled out on the sofa, watched TV and continued talking.

I decided I'd held back long enough so I stopped her mid conversation and leaned in and kissed her. She reciprocated passionately. When we eventually broke apart I told her I wanted to do that all day. She replied that she'd been wanting me to kiss her all day too.

We cuddled up together on the sofa, nice and cosy. I kissed her again, only this time it went much further. I started kissing her neck and grabbing her ass, she removed my shirt and in summary, we got down and had sex there on the sofa and on the floor. Unfortunately, this was one part of the date that was not so perfect. I hadn't eaten all day, I'd been awake since 5am and was feeling sleep deprived, and I didn't perform as good as I usually would and after no more than 15 minutes of fast and hard fvcking, I was going soft and a bit lightheaded and had to stop and get some water. She didn't complain though and told me she'd been satisfied.

She invited me to sleep in her bed. We ended up chatting for an hour more, despite being so tired. It was as if neither of us wanted the day to end. She cuddled upto me throughout the night.

The next day I woke with a headache and feeling really drained. I was hoping we might be able to pick up where we left off last night and have a rampant sex session, but I wasn't upto it and never even tried. I feel like this may have cost me as I wasn't able to show her my sexual prowess and if she's judging me by first impressions (and most women do) then I fear I have portrayed myself as a great friend and companion, but not a particularly wild lover. Conversation and rapport were all good the next day, but when I left, I was intending to kiss her goodbye, but all I got was a mere hug and a casual goodbye.

My instincts tell me that was not good and I shouldn't expect to see her again. I am just speculating about blowing the date with my below average sexual performance, but something really didn't feel right when we left. It really was the perfect date up to that point, and there's no doubt in my mind that her interest was sky high. Unfortunately, first impressions count for a lot and those little mistakes or shorcomings can really cost you during those early stages of dating.

That said, I've encountered this same situation a few times before and it seems that when women put out or come on strong during a first date, they often turn cold immediately after. Perhaps I should've caught my train instead of going back to her place and ended on a high, but it's too late now. My plan is to wait a few days before contacting her and when I do, just try to keep things cool so she doesn't feel overwhelmed.

Even if things go no further, I had a really fantastic day that I can add to my mental album and remember fondly in years to come. What's more, I felt like I was back on form and believe I learned a few things along the date - including to sleep well the night before and make sure to eat throughout the day.
 

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Jariel said:
My instincts tell me that was not good and I shouldn't expect to see her again. I am just speculating about blowing the date with my below average sexual performance, but something really didn't feel right when we left. It really was the perfect date up to that point, and there's no doubt in my mind that her interest was sky high. Unfortunately, first impressions count for a lot and those little mistakes or shorcomings can really cost you during those early stages of dating.
Who knows what it means. I'll try to lighten your mood by saying that maybe she just didn't want you turning into a Stage-5 Clinger. So she's thinking "Okay, we f**ked, but let's not get all misty-eyed over each other just yet."

I often find myself doing this to women. So I imagine there are women out there who do it to men.


My plan is to wait a few days before contacting her and when I do, just try to keep things cool so she doesn't feel overwhelmed.
Exactly. Just be normal and cool. Don't try to make the sex more than it is. Right now, she's just a pretty girl who you f**ked. Don't treat her special.

As far as not being able to f**k her in the morning. I'm sure you're not the first guy who she's witnessed lose his hard-on. It happens to everyone. She won't hold it against you.
 
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What I can't understand is why you would want to pursue a girl who gives herself up so easily? Just think how many times she has f*cked guys who have taken her on a first date. I think you should just chalk it up as a one-nighter and move on to a woman who doesn't drop her knickers at the first sign of interest.
 
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thebalrog said:
^Not sure I completely agree there. If this was a "loose" girl who just needed a couple of glasses of wine to give in, I might be inclined to think that way as well. From his report, it seems pretty evident to me that he laid all the groundwork properly - the sexual texts or any conversation he had had prior, mixing it up with some deep convo on the date and coming across as a normal guy - my take is it would have made him seem like a balanced person. Add in some good looks (which seems to be the consensus on this forum ;)), and it seems too much for an interested woman to hold back. I am not saying this woman seems perfect, but this fact alone certainly doesn't seem like something to hold against her.

btw, jariel - how do you get them to send you naked pics of them even before they have met you? that's pretty advanced! I can't even seem to elicit a "LJBF" .. j/k
We'll have to disagree, I mean don't get me wrong, if a woman put out, I'll take what's on offer, but after I've finished, I'd drop her like a bad penny. It seems like people who online date are on the desperate side if all it takes is a few weeks of texting/phone calls and a first date to get down to the nitty, gritty.
 

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I think you're overanalyzing things. It sounds like the date went great -- plus you got to spend the night with a cool girl who you connected with and even got to f-close with her. Like you said, even if it doesn't go any further, sounds like it was a good experience for you.

A couple of things I would say:

1) Don't overthink it and don't be overeager with her. Try to focus on the reality of what happened, not "what it means" (let her do the analyzing). She obviously likes you or the night wouldn't have happened that way.

2) Don't sweat the sex performance. She probably doesn't even see it as a negative or an issue...it happens sometimes and among the possibilities are that she (a) isn't phased by it, as for girls it's more about the emotional/mental connection (which you seemed to have going for you) or (b) she may even be worried that it was an indication that YOU weren't into her as much as she thought, which will get her mental wheels spinning. Most of all, don't bring it up or discuss it with her in any serious way. If she brings it up, just joke about it and diffuse the issue.

3) I agree about the "don't treat her special" advice. Not to say you shouldn't be nice, but my impression from your story is that you like her and may have some danger of thinking too many steps ahead. Just enjoy what it is for now.

Overall...nice job.

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I really appreciate it when a woman is upfront with me and she's not long sent me some answers...

Basically, she enjoyed the date as much as I did and felt we connected, but it turns out I'd lied to her about something and she caught me out. In our early conversations I exaggerated the nature of my business to make me sound more professional and interesting, but I'd forgotten about it and slipped up. I hold my hands up to it. I lied and it backfired.

As she explained, it's not the content of the lie that bothered her, it's the fact that I lied in the first place. She told me one of the things she found so appealing about me was the fact that I was so genuine and not afraid to be myself, but when I slipped up, it put doubts in her mind. Apparently, we guys don't realise just how big a deal something like this is, but dishonesty is pretty much a deal breaker for a lot of women.

I don't yet know if this is a lost cause. She's been cool and still seems keen, but as I said before, those first impressions count for a lot. I've admitted to lying, told her it was to make me sounds more interesting and apologised for it. I can't do much else.

That said, it's another valuable lesson learned and I admire her for being straight with me and calling me on it. You never know, maybe this is why some of the girls from your past suddenly went cold on you.
 

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perseverance said:
What I can't understand is why you would want to pursue a girl who gives herself up so easily? Just think how many times she has f*cked guys who have taken her on a first date. I think you should just chalk it up as a one-nighter and move on to a woman who doesn't drop her knickers at the first sign of interest.
I used to think exactly the same way as you at one time, but I realised I was being a hypocrite. I was escalating these women to have sex with me as soon as possible, so how can I think I deserve better?

Besides, I spent a lot of time looking for decent, moralistic girls, and I find most of them are fake. They're the female equivalent of "nice guys" and I'd much rather have a girl who is open with her sexuality than one who tries to repress mine or use it against me.


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btw, jariel - how do you get them to send you naked pics of them even before they have met you? that's pretty advanced! I can't even seem to elicit a "LJBF" .. j/k
haha, well there is an art to it. You have to start by getting to know her as a person, building rapport and trust. Once you feel that connection, then you can start to escalate to more sexual innuendos, flirtation and cheeky remarks. Keep it fun. Sometimes they'll just send pics voluntarily, other times I have to send one first.

I have tried escalating too soon and these women just stop contact so it's all about timing. And as you said, it did take a lot of groundwork to get her into bed so I don't think of her as a random slvt.
 

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Iceberg and Satin: Thanks for the comments and advice. Definitely some good stuff to keep in mind there. Even with her giving me some answers now, I know if I have any chance of turning this around I have to keep my cool. Hopefully the positive feelings from our date will outweigh her doubts in the end, but any persuasion or pushiness on my part will definitely drive her away.
 
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Jariel said:
I used to think exactly the same way as you at one time, but I realised I was being a hypocrite. I was escalating these women to have sex with me as soon as possible, so how can I think I deserve better?

Besides, I spent a lot of time looking for decent, moralistic girls, and I find most of them are fake. They're the female equivalent of "nice guys" and I'd much rather have a girl who is open with her sexuality than one who tries to repress mine or use it against me.
It maybe hypocritical, but that's the way the world works. Women control the dating game, so it's always about what the woman wants. If a woman wants to have sex with you on the first date, she'll have sex with you and if she offers it on a plate, how many men are going to turn it down? Not many, that's just human nature isn't it?

You'd much rather sleep with an easy women or a hoe? That's cool, but don't expect to tie these women down into long-term relationships. As I read on here once, "every man wants a slut to be his slut" and of course that never works out. But what you have shown me is that a man who came to this forum in a worse state than me has transformed himself into a successful young man who is excelling in all walks of his life and for that I have a lot of time and respect for your posts.
 

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Jariel said:
I really appreciate it when a woman is upfront with me and she's not long sent me some answers...

Basically, she enjoyed the date as much as I did and felt we connected, but it turns out I'd lied to her about something and she caught me out. In our early conversations I exaggerated the nature of my business to make me sound more professional and interesting, but I'd forgotten about it and slipped up. I hold my hands up to it. I lied and it backfired.
See, here's the thing. Did you lie to her during sex? Like, while you were banging her? Did you lie to her after sex, while laying in the afterglow, about to pass out? I'm assuming that this lie happened before sex (I could totally be wrong), and she STILL banged you anyway.

And even if it didn't....So what? You exaggerated your business. So does everyone with a resume. If this were the forging of a business partnership, I could understand her apprehension. But this is dating. And I will never (or rarely) believe a woman who tries to attach a logical reason to not liking a guy. Damn near everything is based on attraction (emotional/physical).

What I mean is, if a woman loves the way you look, your smell, how you make her laugh, your smile....do you think she'd ignore ALL OF THAT because you said "I run a 200-person company" when its really only a 50-person company? It's not like you're lying about being married, or having herpes. Whatever is going on with this girl, I'm not buying her answer.

You'll find out the truth very soon. Either she's meeting up for Date#2, or she fades away. But if she fades away, don't believe that load of high-moral BS she just threw at you.




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I used to think exactly the same way as you at one time, but I realised I was being a hypocrite. I was escalating these women to have sex with me as soon as possible, so how can I think I deserve better?

Besides, I spent a lot of time looking for decent, moralistic girls, and I find most of them are fake. They're the female equivalent of "nice guys" and I'd much rather have a girl who is open with her sexuality than one who tries to repress mine or use it against me.

That is 100% true.

You take these girls out, and 50% of the night, you're wondering what she looks like naked. And then when you find out, you're supposed to dump her for being immoral?

On the first 2-3 months of dating a girl, I'm just having fun anyway. I'll worry about her LTR-qualities down the road.
 

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When did she catch you on this lie? After the sex of before. If she had sex with you after she caught you in the lie, I wouldn't worry about it. If she caught you in the lie after the sex? Could be a problem.
 

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It was the morning after we had sex and slept together she caught me out about the lie. In retrospect, her mood did change slightly after that exact point.

She's text me again and told me she understands why I lied and believes I'm actually an honest guy, but that I should just be myself. She also expressed she's not bothered how successful I've been because I have so much to offer.

We've not discussed meeting again yet, but I'll just wait and see the mood of our chats during the next week.
 

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@Jariel

Read some point in which you lied to her on your first date about how successful your business is. Maybe I'm like a woman but that kind of sh1t also pisseses me off. I don't care if it's just "embellishing" the truth, it's still a lie.(Also, you should be proud enough of your accomplishments to not have to lie about them)

My EX GF has taught me to bail at the first sign of lies now too. There was one I caught pretty early on, then caught a couple more. It's pretty hard to trust someone after being lied to, especially mutliple times.

I just recently(with the agreeance of two other band members) had a band member kicked out because he straight face lied to me about the lead singer stealing lyrics from one of our originals. I made him give me all the details. Found out he was lying, called him out on it, lied some more until bailing.

He tried coming back and apologizing I could accept it and hang out with him or whatever but my trust was broken and I didn't want to be in a band with him anymore. It didn't help that he started to lie when we were talking about what went down.

TLDR; Don't think it's just a girl thing to hate liars. Lying can fvck you up in the business world too, not just relationships. Believe it or not, some people really due have high-morals.
 

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Joverby: I totally see your point and during those initial stages these red flags can really define your character in that person's eyes. I've always preached against the PUA methods of pretending to be someone you're not and all the false personas because it will always catch up with you, and yet I went and did the same sh!t. It's gutting because that whole date I was being myself and it was all so natural.

When I think back to girls I've caught lying, it bothered me too, even if it was a small lie.
 

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Jariel - I have recently been through the same thing man!

Great couple of days with this chick I met throught match, we got on like a house on fire, chatted about every darn thing (she did talk about her life and her x a lot) did a ride on the bikes etc!! She came to mine, we ate, watched a dvd, and we ended up bed but due to lack of sleep and training on the bike - I just could not keep it up:down: We chatted, kissed, chatted, kissed, she washed the dishes :p and arranged to meet up the following week. But then, after a few texts that she enjoyed the few days, she vanished!

One thing was evident from the start and that was her just comming out of a 15 year realtionship 4 months ago.

I was a rebound guy. But i enjoyed it all the same! Next!



Sometimes a certain something that you do can turn the chick right off you and vice versa. One chick I met said she has been divorced 4 times. That was it for me :D

Take it easy man, play it cool with her. Don't let this eat away at you.
 
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I was a rebound guy. But i enjoyed it all the same! Next!
Great attitude mate. This is how I like to think. I may never see this girl again, but I had such a great time and am so glad I got to experience it and spend time with her.

One thing I've realised over the years is that you can't control a woman's way of thinking, and as you say, it may just be one slight thing that puts her off.

But I came out of this date feeling very positive and having no animosity towards her. I know that in the future I simply need to be myself and act naturally, and maybe my next date will flow as easily as this one did...but without the hitch. We live and learn. :)
 

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Hey Jariel just remember that PERFECT IS BORING...I wouldn't beat myself up too much about the lie. At least you were man enough to admit it.

And at least you look you like your POF photos!

Looking forward to reading more of your field reports. Maybe I should cancel my match.com subscription and join POF.
Yeah, when caught red handed it takes a real pathological liar / coward to keep trying to weasel out of it.

But unfortunately "manning" up to something you were caught red handed lying about doesn't repair damaged trust / perception of your character.

I appear to bo the odd man out as far as thinking lies are okay is concerned.

But this was a stupid lie, shouldn't of been said ever in the first place.

Really just trying to say I hope you learn a lesson from it. Don't just brush it under the rug and say "Oh, it was just a little lie!" Sure, you might find some chick who's insecure enough with herself to tolerate lies or justify them for you, but if you want a quality and healthy chick / business partner etc.

Quit lying.
 

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I didn't hear from her at all today so I'm guessing I've blown it, but I'll just leave it with her now. It's out of my hands. But if she continues using POF and can't handle little lies she's in for a BIG shock.

Anyway, thanks for the replies. I always value the insights of this forum. I'll try to add more field reports in future, maybe even post a few backdated ones.
 
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