For the beginner older fellas: CHIVALRY IS DEAD!

[Luveno]

Hello all,

I was traversing the lounge last night to find 2 semi-attractive women at the bar, sitting down and sipping on fruity toot beverages. Aside from them were 2 very aged men, trying to make conversation. Of course, these girls had their bodies turned towards each other, not towards the old fellas. Also, their legs were crossed, which is a sign on disinterest.
I know the older men knew that these girls weren't really intersted, so instead of doing the man thing and packing up, they continue to buy these harlots more drinks.
Of course by the end of the night the girls went home by themselves, as did the older guys.

What is the moral of this story: Do the exact opposite of what you were taught to do when you were young!

1. Buying a girl you find attractive a drink is the WORST thing you can do if you want to impress them. It screams " I'm going to give you things without you having to work for them". This equals no sex, and more importantly, no respect.
2. If a girl you are trying to talk to is basically blowing you off without coming up front and saying it, CUT YOUR LOSSES AND MOVE ON. If you don't , you are insane. You even know that your chances of success are slim to none, why persist?
3. Don't look old! Get a better haircut and dress better. Good Clothes and hair can take 10 years off you.
4. If a girl gives you attitude, and real attitude, not fun attitude, give her attitude right back. Her winnings of the genetic lotto do not allow her to step on your manhood.

Hopefully these small tips will help you beginners. There are more comprehensive tips if you do a search. Good luck~

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Are you saying that it's alright for younger guys to be chivalrous?

 

[Luveno]

No, but in today's society it is less likely for younger guys to be chivalrous. Plus, a younger person isn't so set in his ways so changing his POV isn't as difficult.
Guys who are in their 40s/50s are chivalrous because thats the way it was done when they were young and marraige was the goal. When things worked for so long back then, its hard to adapt.

I based this post from an observation I made.

 

[arutha]

Its so harsh to say good old chivalry is dead... Maybe a better way should be to say the idea of it has changed and it is not what it once was?

Don't shower them with money, drinks, gifts whatever.. But the idea of opening doors, pushing the seat in, all that 'gentleman' stuff is still ok right? The older things just need to adapt to the new society.

 

[Luveno]

Originally posted by arutha
Its so harsh to say good old chivalry is dead... Maybe a better way should be to say the idea of it has changed and it is not what it once was?

Don't shower them with money, drinks, gifts whatever.. But the idea of opening doors, pushing the seat in, all that 'gentleman' stuff is still ok right? The older things just need to adapt to the new society.

Unfortunately, good ol' chivalry is dead.
Doing these seemingly insignificant things, like pushing the seat in and opening the door etc., actually lessens your chances of being successful with a woman.
In today's world, there is gender "equality", so get with the times. She can open her own door, and pull out her own chair. She's not a toddler.

The only time chivalry is useful is when you are in a LTR. By acting chivalrous once in a while, you will surprise her, and therefore gain more of her respect and admiration.

Pulling out chivalry too early is a bad idea. Be chivalrous to someone who actually cares about you.

 

[sstype]

Originally posted by Luveno
Hello all,

I was traversing the lounge last night to find 2 semi-attractive women at the bar, sitting down and sipping on fruity toot beverages. Aside from them were 2 very aged men, trying to make conversation. Of course, these girls had their bodies turned towards each other, not towards the old fellas. Also, their legs were crossed, which is a sign on disinterest.
I know the older men knew that these girls weren't really intersted, so instead of doing the man thing and packing up, they continue to buy these harlots more drinks.
Of course by the end of the night the girls went home by themselves, as did the older guys.

What is the moral of this story: Do the exact opposite of what you were taught to do when you were young!

1. Buying a girl you find attractive a drink is the WORST thing you can do if you want to impress them. It screams " I'm going to give you things without you having to work for them". This equals no sex, and more importantly, no respect.
2. If a girl you are trying to talk to is basically blowing you off without coming up front and saying it, CUT YOUR LOSSES AND MOVE ON. If you don't , you are insane. You even know that your chances of success are slim to none, why persist?
3. Don't look old! Get a better haircut and dress better. Good Clothes and hair can take 10 years off you.
4. If a girl gives you attitude, and real attitude, not fun attitude, give her attitude right back. Her winnings of the genetic lotto do not allow her to step on your manhood.

Hopefully these small tips will help you beginners. There are more comprehensive tips if you do a search. Good luck~

This is a great tip for us young guys also

 

[Jake-inator]

I work with some of these older symps and letme tell you, pathetic doesn't begin to describe these guys.

They keep making cracks about each other when their wives drop by about how they're such losers and they don't know how she could have ever lived with them.

Then they laugh like total losers at their insecurities... while i just smirk and shake my head wondering if the wives are about to launch a class action divorce.

This one guy couldn't believe that i would actually say NO to a girl... When i asked him what the problem was he kept bit*hing about it the entire day about how perfect women are and how we should always give them what they want.

He's currently on his 5th divorce, but insists they were all his fault.
The women now lives two blocks from me in a half a million dollar house which he payed for. He lives in a rental appartment surrounded by mexicans and drives an 89' toyota corrola.

Moral of the Story:
Some people are just oblivious to reality and we can't help them.

 

[Best friends? NAY]

Chivalry is like most things, you if are just doing it to try to score with a chick it will come off as desperate. But if you do these things naturally for all people not just ones you are trying to impress, then you shouldn't stop doing it beacuse you think it could ruin your chances. On the same note you shouldn't suddenly become chivalrious just beacuse you wan't to impress someone.

 

[arutha]

Originally posted by Luveno
Unfortunately, good ol' chivalry is dead.
Doing these seemingly insignificant things, like pushing the seat in and opening the door etc., actually lessens your chances of being successful with a woman.
In today's world, there is gender "equality", so get with the times. She can open her own door, and pull out her own chair. She's not a toddler.

The only time chivalry is useful is when you are in a LTR. By acting chivalrous once in a while, you will surprise her, and therefore gain more of her respect and admiration.

Pulling out chivalry too early is a bad idea. Be chivalrous to someone who actually cares about you.

Well, I agree with the chairs at least. Thats always seemed awkward to me trying to push a chair in for her, and its easy enough to do. But I always get positive responses opening and holding doors, nothing wrong with that IMO.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Originally posted by arutha
Well, I agree with the chairs at least. Thats always seemed awkward to me trying to push a chair in for her, and its easy enough to do. But I always get positive responses opening and holding doors, nothing wrong with that IMO.

I don't pull out her chair but I still wait for the woman to sit down first and I still partially stand when she leaves the table and when she returns. I have yet to get a complaint or an odd question about doing that.

 

[Microphone Fiend]

when i was young my mommy said not to hit girls....

Right now I am typin from a computer in the local county jail.....your generalisations SUCK Luveno

 

[arutha]

but I still wait for the woman to sit down first

Hmm yeah they seem to sit down fairly quickly when they know where to, I think I'd prefer to sit first when its not going to be around a table.. Then she chooses how close to sit and you know she is comfortable with the distance without having to worry about watching for comfort signs then moving back if she is uncomfortable.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Originally posted by arutha
Hmm yeah they seem to sit down fairly quickly when they know where to, I think I'd prefer to sit first when its not going to be around a table.. Then she chooses how close to sit and you know she is comfortable with the distance without having to worry about watching for comfort signs then moving back if she is uncomfortable.

That's a bit too complicated for me, I just sit across from wherever they choose to sit. On occasion they'll com over to my side of the table and sit with me but it's no big deal either way, we're just getting something to eat.