You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Great post Joekerr. In regards to wild horses, remember on your path to finding your 'center', IMO, people can really be broken down to two very general types.joekerr31 said:you know what really blows your mind, is when you come to see that even your own mother will mess with your head if you let her.
make no mistake about it, men are brainwashed into thinking that they must protect and sacrifice for women. that you aren't really a man if you aren't committed to the women in your life.
i say f*ck that. you are an individual. who cares what women, society, parents, friends, etc. think.
find yoru center. find what you believe in. then live YOUR life. if you get lucky and find a woman who fits in to that, great. if not, no big deal. you are still MILES ahead of the guy who never even started to live his own life and simply got hitched and is like a horse plowing the field with a woman steering him left and right.
some men / people are simply mean to be wild horses. and then others are meant to be saddled and broken in.
the only woman i'll ever settle down with is one who can ride a wild horse and isn't looking to break him in and saddle him up.
Bible_Belt said:As I see it, the three factors that matter are: power/status/money, looks, and game. Having only one or two out of the three, you're still going to get AFC results. To get the most desirable women, you have to touch all three bases.
Francisco d'Anconia said:Thank you,
Thank you,
Thank you....
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Luthor Rex said:I would agree with the OP under the condition that by fate he means the man is very ugly.
I'm a very good looking guy, that I can assure you. I wish I could post a picture here, but for confidentiality reasons and my wish to keep my privacy, I won't.Luthor Rex said:but still there are men out there who are very ugly and there's not a whole lot they can do.
reset said:Are you talking good stable middle class job or are you talking WEALTH?
Never said I don't get women. I'm just saying, I don't get hot ones on a consistent basis with the frequency that I'd like. I pull hotties once in a while. Recently though, it's going on 9 months. I went home with a chick about a month and a half ago, but realized when I got to her place that I wasn't really attracted to her, so I left. I'm very picky. I don't just lay anything. I'm not one of those guys who f*ck's anything with a hole. If I have to suffer and go without it for a while, so be it..but one thing you'll never see me do is settle for a woman, ever.SinJester said:Don't blame anyone else, if you aren't getting girls then there in only one person to blame - YOU.
Never said I've never gotten with hot women before. Off the top of my head, in all honesty, I've nailed about 7 women(possibly more, I can't remember at the moment) so far who fall into the "hot" category. There've been more I probably could've nailed that were missed opportunities, times where I was c*ck-blocked, and times where I pussied out. And there've been a bunch of other hotties that I've only made out with, including one I dry-humped...but I don't count them as a conquer. The only ones I count, are the ones that I've been sexually intimate with.SinJester said:If you have never got with decent girls, do you really know what 'game' is?
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
You know, people tend to believe the personal realities which they live in. There's a show on cable called "Millionaire Matchmaker;" check it out if you can.Bible_Belt said:Define "desirable". If a woman is attracted to me in part because I have money or status, then I don't find her that desirable anymore...
Oh, don't kid yourself, guys. Do you really think that you would get every woman that you do now if you had no money, no job, and no status? It does matter, whether we'd like it to or not. It's not the only thing, or you end up like those guys buying that girl world travel just to sleep with her, but it still matters.
No doubt, of course.SinJester said:Knowing is different to doing
Like I said, I've done some heavy scrutinizing and analyzing(almost to the point where I use so much brain power, that I get a headache, lol), and have come to the full conclusion that I'm not falling short in the most important/crucial areas. If I'm falling short, the only spot that might be is in the areas that aren't so important/crucial that get overlooked by women, which composes the 3% of my weak game area. Again, my game isn't 100% on, but like I said, it's at least 97% good. It is up there with every other player. No player's game is perfect. Your typical player's game is about 97% good I'd say. Nobody ever reaches 100%, otherwise you'd be perfect, and nobody's perfect in anything. There's always weak spots.SinJester said:Like I said you must fall short somewhere else. How many times a week do you go out trying to get girls?
I have been a member of this place for almost 4 years and honestly, I have no clue whatsoever. I have done so much reading I should be writing PUA material. But I don't have a fucking clue on how to actually get a girl.edger said:Folks, my post wasn't about getting women in correlation with how much money one has, it was about finding it difficult to get most hot women to "lust" for you even with good game.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Now, do you think money matters if you just want to screw her on a regular basis with no strings attached?Bible_Belt said:As I see it, the three factors that matter are: power/status/money, looks, and game. Having only one or two out of the three, you're still going to get AFC results. To get the most desirable women, you have to touch all three bases.
It does if the only way you can get her to see you is to take her places or buy her things.edger said:Now, do you think money matters if you just want to screw her on a regular basis with no strings attached?
edger said:Now, do you think money matters if you just want to screw her on a regular basis with no strings attached?
You need to think about what it is you're willing to pay for. Her affection or her body? Once you've decided then you can adjust your attack plan accordingly.edger said:Now, do you think money matters if you just want to screw her on a regular basis with no strings attached?
STR8UP said:"Game" is nothing more than demonstrating tangibles and intangibles that lead a woman to believe that you possess the CORE QUALITIES of a man who has a high value in the mating game.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.