Maximus_Decimus
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This response from Franco is an eye opener for those who take seduction concepts too literally. Being the prize in the relationship doesn't mean constantly acting like a jerk. And being a dominant guy doesn't mean consistently treating your GF like sh*t.
Key in on what monkeybusiness wrote and Franco's response to him:
Key in on what monkeybusiness wrote and Franco's response to him:
Originally posted by Franco
>On 1/17/06 9:55:00 AM, monkeybusiness wrote:
>
>There is nowhere I can open up
>like this and receive such
>good advice except
>in this brotherhood. Thanks
>in advance for any help.
We are glad to help but be careful with interpreting what we write. We are not saying here that women should be abused. Abusing women is not Alpha.
Anyway I don´t think you realize what you are doing.
>My LTR is FU*CKED.
>You are aware from my ********
>post that things got bad after
>our holiday
>together.
Women behave in a manipulative way because they are weaker. My writings about the dominant frame are meant to make woman´s sexuality and well being better. Not to put the woman down emotionally.
>Well I have been changing the
>way I behave a lot. I have
>been extremely hard
Why "extremely"? You have to be just "hard enough" to make her feel horny and make her feel emotionally satisfied. She will reflect her happiness back to you and you will feel happy yourself.
>on any sh*t test that would
>give her frame control, and
>any situation where
>she attempts to get power.
Wrong. You need to reframe only those frames which keep her from expressing fully her sexuality with you. All the rest comes spontaneuously if she is HSE enough to share good thing with you.
If she is LSE don´t abuse her. You either have fun with her or next her but there is no need for abuse.
>Now call me a control freak, a
>pathetic assh*le,
>or even alpha. But I am doing
>what I feel is right.
As Deepspot wrote you are for surely pissed off for something which happened in your past.
>myself that I can. This last
>week my frame has
>got harder and harder and my
>GF is not happy...
Read again the sentence. You are Alpha when your frame is strong and your GF is HAPPY for that.
>***THE STORY:
>On holiday the mASF, AOS,
>Franco, etc, starts to sink in
>and I use it to lead
>her, be more masculine, make
>all the decisions, have great
>sex, and she
>LOVES it, especially when I
>hire a motorbike and drive her
>round with my
>hand up her skirt!
Leading her emotions so to make her happy is more difficult than driving her around with a motorbike.
>But on the last day of our
>holiday I froze up. I
>retreated into myself. I
>honestly don’t know why but I
>think I felt resentment for
>her
That is the question you need to ask from yourself internally. WHY do you feel resentment for her?
>and kept saying
>in my head: “What is her
>value? What does she offer
>me?” I didn’t verbalise
>this to her, and instead, for
>24 hours, said not a single
>word to her. She was
>upset and crying.
Here in Finland they call this the "Silence school". It is one of the most cruel thing one can do to a person. Why do you want her to cry? What do you get from it? You get sadness and crying reflected to yourself back and you become sad yourself.
Create HAPPINESS in your woman! You will get happiness reflected to yourself back!
>So I went
>to the gym for two hours, came
>back, and just
>said I’d felt ill and that I
>wanted to have a good time
>now. All I can attribute
>to it is that I’d spent too
>long in a woman’s company.
>Anyway we had an
>amazing last night. Super
>sex. She was happy.
So why not let her happy all the time?
>Two days later we had the
>phone call where I basically
>punished her for three
>days by sending her
>unaffectionate texts and doing
>massive frame-override
>on the phone.
And how much money you get out of that? Smaller effort with the purpose of making her happy is enough and gives you and her much more satisfaction.
>If you look
>back you’ll see I was quite
>nasty by saying sh*t like
>I was going to my parents
>house and she could come “if
>she wanted”.
>More phone game and I am
>overly ****y & funny which
>really pissed her off. I
>laugh at her a lot and am
>unaffectionate. For several
>days I let her be the first
>one to call or text.
>Things were going well for me
>and I was FLYING in my new
>state. Men
>looking up to me more than
>usual, good results for my
>business, and GF
>seemed to be enjoying my
>confident leader qualities.
Man good leadership is a process and one of the most difficult things on the Planet. You never quit LEARNING new things in that area.
One of the feature of a good leader is the insight from him that he never quits LEARNING from others new things.
>Then the day we are to leave
>for my parents she says “I am
>not coming.” She
>shouts and cries about how bad
>things are and I just reply
>saying everything
>is fine with me and I am
>happy. She says she wants to
>meet and talk, and I
>should go to see her. I say I
>can’t, but she can come to me.
>She says ok, let’s
>meet now. I say no, let’s do
>it next week. She says fine,
>she will come to my
>parents and we talk there.
>We’d agreed to drive in same
>car but end up travelling
>separately. We get
>there and she is so angry.
>She demands an explanation for
>the last day of
>holiday, and for the mean
>texts, and phone calls, and
>also an apology.
This is a good sign. Maybe her self-esteem is not that bad after all. If she reacts like this she has some pride which is good.
>I tell
>her she will get neither from
>me. I laugh a lot and do
>massive caveman kino
>and just pull her to me and
>try to kiss her, and she keeps
>on getting angry.
She is demanding respect.
>She says she will go home the
>next day, and tells me all I
>want is control and
>that I play too many games.
Right. Why don´t you relax?
>I
>say to her “Good, there is
>prey I need to hunt
>tomorrow night!” She says
>“F*ck you, it’s over then”. I
>say “Ok”. She sleeps
>in another room.
>In the morning I go to her bed
>and get my c*ck out, and she
>starts getting
>upset again. Asks for apology
>and explanation and says more
>about the
>games I play and my control.
>She says I make her unhappy.
>I bring up the
>self-harming and make her feel
>bad about herself.
Those are unconscious issues for her. You really abuse her emotionally very much by doing like that.
>Then I
>tell her that “All I
>want is to see you achieve
>your full potential.”
Yeah. Another guy would understand you here. I can imagine your Serg. telling that to you.
But man. This is a WOMAN. And you are not her Serg.
>She
>says “No you don’t”. Now
>for the first time I get angry
>here and I tell her “F*ck you!
>I tell you
>something as honest and loving
>as that and you tell me that I
>am lying! I
>don’t ever want to see you
>again!” I walk out.
She is a woman. She relates to you through her emotional states. She did not understand what you were trying to say because your non verbal was pissed off and she was scared.
>Now at this point she jumps
>out of bed, throws her arms
>around me, and
>starts kissing me and taking
>my pants off. WTF? I don’t
>know if it was
>because I made her feel
>insecure about cutting
>herself,
It is because you unconsciously are REPEATING HER TRAUMAS = you abuse her emotionally and she reacts like a little scared child between the other ways by trying to have you calm down sexually.
>if I said that one
>supplicating thing about her
>potential, or if I did the
>walkaway that turned her
>on. IDEAS?
If your non verbal is not calibrated with a woman you will never have that woman really hear what you try to say. Another guy would not be scared of you and would hear but she is a woman.
>Anyway we have
>sex, she orgasms, I then make
>her deepthroat
>me and shoot a week’s worth of
>c*m down her throat and she is
>choking. I
>get up and go have a bath and
>give her no cuddles.
You are unconsciously becoming the abuser which is probably in her past. That is BETA.
Instead as Alpha your job should be to first lead her emotionally and after show her better. If you would realize that she is too LSE to be able to get the "better" then you should next her but not abuse her.
