Florida Valentines Day shooting/incels

[Von]

Peace:

Pacify:

 

[corrector]

1. You brought up the topic of the US becoming less of a white nation and I responded why. If you don't like my response, then don't evoke it.

I am talking about discrimination and racial profiling, or the unjust treatment of people that are "other". If you are for oppressing people or seeing people treated unjustly then that's not an issue that I can respond to. All you have to do is assign a "criminal" label or class to a group of people, deprive them of their rights, deny there is white privilege (i.e. pretend they are being treated fairly like you are but make up excuses), and you are exactly that. Saying it's a "white nation" and that's okay, doesn't wash. Just like you wouldn't want to be rounded up in a non-white country and targeted. You'd say it's a third-world banana republic or dictatorship and you expect that. Do you want to compare America to a third-world banana republic then if that's okay?

2. I am not searching for the evidence you claim is there. If you have a claim and have the link, share it.

That's too bad. I'm not going to link a softcore porn thing on here. May violate the rules. You don't see other posters putting up links to escort/porn sites. Either way, I don't see what the issue is for the purpose of this argument. Unjust treatment or oppression is wrong in any country, you can't justify it on any group of people because the dominant group in a society is of a different persuasion.

3. That circumvents my point that there is privilege across all races if you want to go to micro levels like that.

How does it circumvent your point? You are mixing apples with oranges.

4a. Jews mainly own the NFL, and they don't consider themselves white.

Escorts do not discriminate against Jews. They have money and are usually married and upstanding in their community and society in general.

4b. Perhaps prostitutes prefer white men for their merits? How is that different than if the NFL was prefering blacks for their merits?

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It is not the same thing. One is racial profiling, while the other is egalitarian. It's the same thing if a Black went into a clothing store or gas station and they were profiled and you have someone asking them to leave, or to buy something quick and leave. That is not an issue of merits but an issue of civil treatment. If you are talking about the movie Dunkirk and then say why aren't there more Blacks represented, then in that case, I would agree the merit argument would make sense. The application with escorts makes no sense and is no different than racial profiling in the criminal justice system, employment, or an expectancy of civil treatment in an advanced and modern society in the daily course of life.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Hookers say 'no blacks,' because black guys tend to not have any money. I don't think they are racist, they are just after money. I'm sure there are plenty of retail store owners who think they get ripped off more by people of color and would like to hang a 'whites only' sign on the door, but the law prohibits such a thing, because the shop owner is running a legal business. You can't ask the law to be enforced on an illegal hooker. The expression is 'coming to the court with unclean hands.' You don't get to ask for relief when you are already breaking the law. The law would come into play, however, if you were talking about legalized prostitution, in Nevada for example, which I think is a good reason to legalize prostitution (and drugs) - doing so removes the activity from the seedy underbelly of the illegal market.

 

[Murk]

That’s BS bro, money comes in all colours. This is not a yacht we’re talking about it’s a fvcking hooker you dolt.

 

[corrector]

Hookers say 'no blacks,' because black guys tend to not have any money.

I've pondered that idea, but then how do you explain low-end escorts posting the same thing. I mean a $ 50- $ 60 for half-hour or $ 100-$120 /hr is very cheap. If a Black guy doesn't have any money then they wouldn't be going there in the first place. Many may be tight with money but it doesn't mean they are flat broke. However, what about the core argument. That is a Black person could make it and become a movie star, a sports star, or make it in the business world and become an executive, but he's still treated like a Black person. Until the police identify who he is, he's treated badly (i.e. like the NFL player in Las Vagas that was racially profiled when some shots were fired). So, no matter how much money a Black person has, then he still has to face discrimination when dealing with the police, or when hiring an escort.

I don't think they are racist, they are just after money. I'm sure there are plenty of retail store owners who think they get ripped off more by people of color and would like to hang a 'whites only' sign on the door, but the law prohibits such a thing, because the shop owner is running a legal business. You can't ask the law to be enforced on an illegal hooker.

That's partially what I'm trying to convey. At the heart of the matter, there is still discrimination all over the place, as much as people can get away from it by the law, and as much as the law can be enforced.

The expression is 'coming to the court with unclean hands.' You don't get to ask for relief when you are already breaking the law. The law would come into play, however, if you were talking about legalized prostitution, in Nevada for example, which I think is a good reason to legalize prostitution (and drugs) - doing so removes the activity from the seedy underbelly of the illegal market.

In Canada it is legal for a prostitute to sell sex or post an ad. It's illegal for a buyer to buy sex. However, if the ad itself is racist, then they could be forced to remove that from their ad because the ad itself is legal. If they discriminate at the door, then in that case there is no enforcement of it because it is illegal at that point.

To maintain the peace, I don't think Blacks would be offended by such an ad, because it means they are saving their time and bother from dealing with a wrong escort that may reject them or start shouting racial slurs against them at the door and going all crazy on them. If you are looking for an escort you are not going to waste time on an escort that will give bad service or that will rip you off. Also for liberals, you have some insights into the SP's character or views, then you may not want to deal with them either.

The argument would not apply to the ad itself, but only at the door of the place. However, I may think that seeing these things on ads are undermining the fapping. This is not the case. I also fap at racist ads too. Sometimes it's more alluring to fap at those types of ads.

 

[corrector]

It is not the same thing. One is racial profiling, while the other is egalitarian. It's the same thing if a Black went into a clothing store or gas station and they were profiled and you have someone asking them to leave, or to buy something quick and leave. That is not an issue of merits but an issue of civil treatment. If you are talking about the movie Dunkirk and then say why aren't there more Blacks represented, then in that case, I would agree the merit argument would make sense. The application with escorts makes no sense and is no different than racial profiling in the criminal justice system, employment, or an expectancy of civil treatment in an advanced and modern society in the daily course of life.


1. Invade white native countries, get angry that you can't succeed as well as the white natives, call it white privilege, create barriers for native whites to succeed. That is the liberal approach in a nutshell. This is true for any ethnic region of the world, the natives will have an advantage, that is my point.

2. PM it to me then.

3. No, it is the same thing. Each race is facing different advantages and disadvantages, you just like to say that only yours count.

4. Perhaps that is why they don't "discriminate" against Jews?

5. Isn't accusing people of "white privilege" also a form of racial profiling?

At this point I think you are sounding indoctrinated. If I'm pursuing an argument further then it feels like I'm trying to "save" you from what are delusional beliefs. I'm not out to save anyone on this thread since we are all adults in here and are responsible for our own belief systems. I've advanced an issue about "incel"/"escorts" and think this particular branch has run it course.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I've pondered that idea, but then how do you explain low-end escorts posting the same thing. I mean a $ 50- $ 60 for half-hour or $ 100-$120 /hr is very cheap. If a Black guy doesn't have any money then they wouldn't be going there in the first place. Many may be tight with money but it doesn't mean they are flat broke.

First of all, hookers are easy prey to rip off, especially without a pimp, which is the new trend thanks to the Internet, and absurd laws that villianize pimps as 'human traffickers.' Sometimes that is the case, but sometimes the pimp is mostly working security for a hooker who would be doing the same thing anyway.

Most young black males where I live are dirt fvcking broke. Clubs will often have a $2-5 cover, just to keep out anyone who does not have $2. And the parking lot is full of young black males hanging out there, because it's free and they can't spare $2. I'm not saying these things to be derogatory, nor do I have any agenda. If you want to argue that the system oppresses minorities in a number of ways, I'd probably be on your side for the most part. But cheap hookers saying 'no blacks' is more practicality than it is systematic oppression...just my opinion.

 

[corrector]

First of all, hookers are easy prey to rip off, especially without a pimp, which is the new trend thanks to the Internet, and absurd laws that villianize pimps as 'human traffickers.' Sometimes that is the case, but sometimes the pimp is mostly working security for a hooker who would be doing the same thing anyway.

Not in Canada. A Superior Court of Canada challenge on the issue, as well as a new law, has made it basically legal for a prostitute to have security, to advertise, or to operate in safety. Therefore what you are writing about is not an issue here. In fact they encourage backpage here so that coppers can locate genuine cases of human trafficking or anyone that looks too yonge and nab the culprits. Users of escorts are encouraged to report any shady dealings to the police without fear of getting prosecuted, or even if they get ripped off. So the climate of enforcement against normal buyers is non-existant and only minors are really looked at to see if they are being trafficked. In this legal culture, where the selling side is legal, just the buying side is "technically illegal' (i.e. illegal on the books but not really enforced at all), there is no excuse to have racist ads.

Most young black males where I live are dirt fvcking broke. Clubs will often have a $2-5 cover, just to keep out anyone who does not have $2. And the parking lot is full of young black males hanging out there, because it's free and they can't spare $2. I'm not saying these things to be derogatory, nor do I have any agenda. If you want to argue that the system oppresses minorities in a number of ways, I'd probably be on your side for the most part. But cheap hookers saying 'no blacks' is more practicality than it is systematic oppression...just my opinion.

Right, but again, there are allot of rich black folks too. There are allot of business men that are black. If you want to say no yonge black, or no group of yonge blacks, or put an age restriction of 25 years or older if Black, then I could get that. However, to say no blacks, or have some ads put that on capital bold, and then for other groups of people, who now have to worry if it means literally "no blacks" or if it means "whites only", especially in a city like Toronto where you've got people from all over the place (i.e. Asians, Indians, Arabs, etc... all over the place), and would even have people guessing on what that means or having that type of discussion to see if they are white enough, is clearly racist.

 

[sosousage]

he ran with students so it could be true, or at least thats what incels.me wanted you to think, but thats probably just some smart marketing.

IMO 200% fake to bring traffic to that looser forum

fbi cant ask youtube for IP of commenter... priceless

 

[btownbuck2012]

he ran with students so it could be true, or at least thats what incels.me wanted you to think, but thats probably just some smart marketing.

IMO 200% fake to bring traffic to that looser forum

fbi cant ask youtube for IP of commenter... priceless

FBI completely f*cked up here. End of story.

Several people in the Miami Division should get canned IMO.

 

[corrector]

It is not the same thing. One is racial profiling, while the other is egalitarian. It's the same thing if a Black went into a clothing store or gas station and they were profiled and you have someone asking them to leave, or to buy something quick and leave. That is not an issue of merits but an issue of civil treatment. If you are talking about the movie Dunkirk and then say why aren't there more Blacks represented, then in that case, I would agree the merit argument would make sense. The application with escorts makes no sense and is no different than racial profiling in the criminal justice system, employment, or an expectancy of civil treatment in an advanced and modern society in the daily course of life.

1. Invade white native countries, get angry that you can't succeed as well as the white natives, call it white privilege, create barriers for native whites to succeed. That is the liberal approach in a nutshell. This is true for any ethnic region of the world, the natives will have an advantage, that is my point.
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That is an extremely hateful narrative and totally incorrect. You stole this land from the Natives, so it's not really your country since you don't have a moral claim to it. The reason people aren't succeeding as well is because when they are successful you bomb them like the Tulsa race riot, or Black Wall Street. Your take successful business men, plant drugs on them, then put them into jail. You put innocent Blacks in jail for free labour in your prison planations. Then when innocent people fight for justice then you are creating barriers for white people because you just want to massacre people in police shootings and put them in jail so there is less competition? That is not true for any other region of the world. The U.S. has the biggest prison population in the world.

 

[corrector]

It is not hateful, it is factual. You can try and blame whites for whatever you wish, but at the end of the day, this country is being invaded and whites are being villainized much like you have just proven to do.

You are ignoring the points I have made in my previous post and its obvious that you are in denial with some of the evils and atrocities that have been committed in the past. Even Germany paid reparations to Jews, rather than saying they had a moral claim behind everything they did. The thing is, when God starts judging a place, there is nothing you can really do about it. You can get rid of Mexicans but you can't stop hurricanes and forest fires or drug overdoses. Karma is a b1tch and there is a saying that what comes around goes around. All you can get are Trump's thoughts and prayers.

You do not have a moral claim to this land and neither do the invaders you support. Whites certainly have a stronger claim to it since we have lived gere for the last 400 years. Moreover the Clovis people predated the Indians even, and the Clovis people were of Germanic descent.

Yeah, using Africans. Again, you don't have a moral claim. If Africans did the hard back-breaking work under whip and chain then they have more of a claim for building America than you do.

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Now, back to your terrible broad-based argument from a single microcosm of society.....[/QUOTE]

You've exposed yourself on this board as being KKK. No normal person on this board is talking like you do. You sound too heavily vested.

The thing is, you don't speak for other whites on this board, and even if my father is white, I'm not going to hate my own dad because he is white. I'm not going to hate the nice white librarian that saved a DVD for me that I just picked up. I've had white girlfriends before, but didn't reject them because they are white. Unlike you, I don't have the luxury to hate out groups of people that aren't like me. However, I can call a wrong a wrong, and suggest that you are an extremist, maybe militant, and who knows what you are up to. You don't say much about what hate group you are affiliated with, but the more you talk and expose yourself, it has to put a question mark with other people who read your posts.

 

[Red Legg]

Oh look guys another mostly "race" thread...yawn...Zzzzzzzzzz

 

[Skyline]

I believe male teens growing up in a fatherless environment and ultimately being mentored by women would end up confused and bitter as they slowly gravitate towards being socially awkward.

Women have NOT lived a life as a man to mold boys into man. Only a man could ever mold a boy into being a man.

A women has the tendencies to mold young boys into "how a man should treat her" belief systems and other girly beliefs. That's why when young boys apply those in real life they end up bitter simply bcoz it doesn't work out for a male.

Pretty much defined my childhood all the way up to near the end of highschool. I still feel the effects even today. My mom didn't really shape me into anybody though, I was more-so neglected.

I still have issues maintaining relationships and often fight anxiety and depression. I still have some violent tendencies but they're maintained for the most part. I'm definitely for the nuclear family to be whole again.

 

[Spaz]

Pretty much defined my childhood all the way up to near the end of highschool. I still feel the effects even today. My mom didn't really shape me into anybody though, I was more-so neglected.

I still have issues maintaining relationships and often fight anxiety and depression. I still have some violent tendencies but they're maintained for the most part. I'm definitely for the nuclear family to be whole again.

Young minds will subconsciously absorb any belief system from those close to them.

You can't help it.

Only way to escape it is acknowledging it and find a man willing to mentor/take you under his wings.

A mentor can be a priest, a bricklayer, a janitor and it doesn't matter.

In a man's life, he MUST go through many forms of mentoring from greater men to be a great man.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I still have issues maintaining relationships and often fight anxiety and depression.

I don't have anxiety, but I am with you on the other two. My dad grew up fatherless, and thus p!ssed off at life

Pretty much defined my childhood all the way up to near the end of highschool. I still feel the effects even today. My mom didn't really shape me into anybody though, I was more-so neglected.

I still have issues maintaining relationships and often fight anxiety and depression. I still have some violent tendencies but they're maintained for the most part. I'm definitely for the nuclear family to be whole again.

Does your elite level knowledge of cars play into this story somehow? I think you know more about vehicles than anyone on sosuave.

 

[Skyline]

I don't have anxiety, but I am with you on the other two. My dad grew up fatherless, and thus p!ssed off at life


Does your elite level knowledge of cars play into this story somehow? I think you know more about vehicles than anyone on sosuave.

Sometimes it's hard for me to keep cool but I think I manage it just fine. When I was in basic my aggressive side kind of shined. It was usually towards other privates and I felt it when I was getting yelled at by the drill sergeants sometimes. I'm actually sort of glad that I got injured because that article 15 punishment ain't no joke.

There's a lot of pain in the back of my mind and I have to dive in and just feel it out so I can cope properly.


I never really thought about my passion for cars in that way actually. There is still a lot for me to learn but I can definitely tell you about pretty much any car that you see on the road.


But now that I think about it, it's probably because I have the ability to control it I guess. If my car breaks down, 7/10 times I know how to fix it and actually repair it on the side of the road. I've actually done this a few times and drove right off- I keep a long board in my trunk so I can skate to the nearest auto parts store.

My emotions have controlled a large portion of my life and cars are predictable if you know where to look. I have noticed that I can learn almost anything if it sparks my interest. I've learned how to play fighting games on an arcade stick at a step below professional with 0 experience with either one. I've also sat down and learned the basics of C for re-designing a game. I would literally have guides open on the side and then just trial and error. I took me 7 hours straight to make my first functioning NPC- 0 prior experience as well. I've also learned how to drive manual with 0 driving experience in 2 hours. I can also get out of a skid without loosing control and other various driving techniques.

I just hone in and give it my all. I feel like if I had proper guidance then I would be a lot more motivated and successful. But one thing is for sure is that I do use driving as an escape sometimes.

 

[corrector]

All I read is you ignoring my points and calling me names and making wild accusations. That is the typical alt-left tactic.

Whatever. You really have allot of nerve to continue on this discussion. Logrolling?

You can sit there and blame all whites today from the crimes of the 1% of whites 200 yeara ago, which unfortunately is exactly the same racial profiling you rage against.

A Civil War was fought on the issue of slavery, sounds more pervasive than 1%. Of course, you'll probably say it's State's rights so save your reply.

Now back to the subject, you claim that there is white privilege because some snall number of hookers aren't willing to sleep with blacks. Meanwhile I can point out black privilege which you ignore. How about Affirmative Action, that is black privilege to the core.

The problem is that we are talking about if incel has any relationship with race. First of all, we know that anyone can look at porn, so porn itself does not discriminate as to who can look at it, and neither does escort ads by extension. It's equal opportunity corruption of the mind. Second of all, we know if someone can't get laid and has to pay for it, then Blacks (or others who may be too brown-skinned) may have a harder time because they have to face discrimination there too.

If there is an issue getting laid with women then, it's left for people to decide if that is more or less important than other issues within society as a whole. To say that any Black person can get laid for free or has an easier time than a White person and is less than 50% likely to need the services of an escort during a dry-spell, and that somehow balances things out with escorts, is really the only argument, with any possible merit in this discussion without it being turned into a flame war.

I'm trying to keep a focused argument on a specific issue and this keeps meandering all over the place. If you can't establish that Blacks can not have a dry-spell then I'm not sure this can go anywhere further than a flame war.

 

[corrector]

Pretty much defined my childhood all the way up to near the end of highschool. I still feel the effects even today. My mom didn't really shape me into anybody though, I was more-so neglected.

I still have issues maintaining relationships and often fight anxiety and depression. I still have some violent tendencies but they're maintained for the most part. I'm definitely for the nuclear family to be whole again.

I got a nasty case of anxiety, very nasty, when I saw an escort back in December 5, 2014. Almost lost my mind. Vowed never go go back and I've been totally sane ever since. I'm more afraid of a mental break-down that occurs after seeing a strange woman, you don't know, and getting intimate like that, as the number 1 threat to an existential crises. This happened during a divorce and after I served the papers to my ex-wife. Don't know how anyone can see an escort and remain sane afterwards.

 

[Mike32ct]

Or he could be a white person that has abused his white priviledge, whereas if he was black, he would have already been in jail or in trouble with the law. You don't hear any black, brown or even asian incels (involuntary celibates) behaving that way, and you've got escorts that even reject black people so if anyone should be crying incel it should be blacks. This is just criminal behaviour.

Race stuff aside, generally, most incels are not interested in using escorts. If a guy is feeling depressed about women not being physically attracted to him, paying for sex doesn’t solve the problem. It may even make the guy feel worse afterwards.