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Fixing issues with a girl who said "**** you". I frustrated her. (Serious)

BigKuta

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Around a month and a half ago I mentioned to a great female friend of mine (we have dated, I put her in the friends zone since I ended up getting busy due to work and going on business trips) that I had this amazing idea that I wanted to talk to her about. When she asked what it was, I told her she'd have to wait until I figured out the details. Since that day, I would bring up this "amazing idea" I have, but constantly kept telling her to wait just a little longer. She mentioned that she felt like I was playing games. I told her I needed more time to figure out a few more details before divulging my idea. I guess this frustrated her and few days ago she completely blew up on me..here are the details:

During our last conversation, she mentioned having to go take care of some work and needing to leave. I reminded her that I have yet to tell her the details of my idea. She asked me to tell her right there and then. I started asking her questions as to whether she trusts me (she's been conversing differently with me lately), to which she answered "I don't know". I then ended up telling her that it would be better suited to tell her of my idea at a later time. She ended up losing it at this point saying: "fu#k you jedinats, you know I fu#king hate it when you do this whole waiting thing, but you just go and do it again". It was the most sincere "F#ck you" a girl has ever said to me, it actually kind of hurt. I ended up telling her that the way we have been talking recently makes me feel like I am not trusted. She ended up telling me that "you give me no reason to trust you, you've been telling me that you have something to tell me, but you always back out. That's not trustworthy. You keep playing with me and you don't understand that it can be hurtful. I feel like you are stringing me along, and you have no intention of communicating with me. You know what, tell me next year, or just never tell me. I don't know what you want me to do or say."

At this point, I tried calming her down, and told her that I'll just start telling her of my idea right there. She ended up saying "I don't care! Go do whatever you have planned! not interested!, I'm leaving, etc". I ended up blurting out my amazing idea, at which point she goes "there you said you wanted to say, now I have to go take care of work". I ended telling her that "I never knew you were this angered about me telling you to wait". At this point, she started telling me about her ex who played with her emotions for 2 years, and how it completely ruined her. She felt I was mimicking him, and told me she would not stand for it, not from a friend, or a boyfriend. I asked if she felt whether I was playing around with her emotions, to which she replied with "don't give yourself that much credit." she ended up dishing out the **** word a couple more times throughout the conversation, before we departed.

This girl is pretty religious (so am I..) and it just caught me by complete surprise that she could get this angry. I wasn't surprised that she threw out the **** word (She does swear like any normal person), it was just that it was never directed at me. I now feel that I genuinely frustrated her, and that she really is angry at me. I haven't talked to her since last week. How should I go about making things better? Call her and talk to her about the issue? Ignore her? Keep talking to her normally and don't bring up the issue? Be humorous about the situation? She has a pretty great sense of humor, but I am not sure if I should joke about something that she may consider serious.

I was going to shoot her a text tomorrow around the time she goes to church saying: "You told me to F#ck off the last time we talked. I thought it was pretty cute. Have fun at church, that's where I am right now"

This would probably piss her off even more, am I right?
 

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1. Girls like surprises.. To an extent. You held out too long and pissed her off with it. That's just how girls work. You should know this. They HATE being left out of anything, while this is a great tactic/could've been legitimate for you to hold out, when you screw around with waiting too long on information/surprises/plans/whatever, you'll make a girl go batsh!t crazy. In a bad way.

2. I know how it is to be told to fu*k off when it's really "meaningful" and direct and I realize it can make you jump to doing things/saying things/giving into things you normally wouldn't have. It brings you down because her trust for you is diminished. Again, you shouldn't have held out so long. Point in case: you blurting out the 'idea' just trained her that all she has to do is throw a hissy fit to get what she wants out of you. BAD

3. You let her get away with comparing you to an ex. Horrible. You should've nonchalantly mentioned that you aren't her ex and that it's rude of her to make comparisons. Don't let that happen again..



You kinda screwed this up in more ways than one. Sending her that text will remove even more of her trust for you, so I'd avoid it. So yes, you're right, it'll piss her off.

Making things better.. Let's see here, you failed a massive sh!t test, you ruined a chunk of trust, she's now actively comparing you to an ex-boyfriend. This might take a lot of work, but if you can successfully convey to her that she overreacted, and have her accept that she did, then you will make it out much easier. I wouldn't joke about it, that's just as bad as intentionally pissing her off and could be interpreted horribly.

How often do you usually see her?

How many days has it been since you this went down?
 

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Uhhh, yeah.. Don't do that. Dude, she's livid right now, and you triggered a previous experience in her. Don't tell her that it was "cute". She will flip out.

You took that "amazing idea" thing way too far. I mean WAY too far. Women get royally annoyed when you stretch something like that out too long. It makes you look weak, as if you're afraid to tell her because you don't really have it all figured out yet.

It reeks (to her) of you being unsure of yourself, indecisive, and timid. It also has a real vibe of playing with her emotions. I'm sure she felt that you were manipulating her, and guess what? You were, even if you don't realize it yet.

Then, (oh, I cringe when I picture this), you told her the idea at the WORST possible time! You told her at the time where it would be 100% CERTAIN to be rejected. She was feeling hurt, rejected, and manipulated, and you thought that springing the idea on her would be met with enthusiasm?

All right, you lost perspective and now you have to deal with the situation. What you need to do is BE THE MAN. Pick up the phone (forget texting...it's a relationship destroyer), and tell her you want to talk to her. Tell her you didn't realize that the way you handled the idea was bothering her, and that in hindsight you can see her point. With a woman, it's very important to show her that you understand how she feels. That can cover a multitude of sins.

Say that you were just so enthused about that you couldn't help but refer to it once in a while, just out of enthusiasm. Tell her, I understand how you feel. I'm sorry about that. Let's move on.

Don't make it a long, drawn-out thing. Make it sound like you are accomplishing your agenda of clearing the air efficiently but with caring, essentially that you are taking matters in-hand and dealing with them.

You are the man, and you are proactively handling the releationship. It's unclear what your intentions are with this girl. It does sound like you are very tentative with her. It might help for you to clarify in your own mind where you want this thing to go.

You have been indirect and vague with her, and it pissed her off royally. Now be direct and to-the-point, and demonstrate confidence. Show her that you intend to handle this issue and resolve it.

PLEASE don't tell me you sent the text already. I hope you see this before you make that mistake.
 

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An addendum:

I recommend not grovelling and seeking her approval, but rather convey that you have something to say (your very brief explanation and either implied or direct apology), regardless of her response.

In other words, convey that you are doing this because you are self-directed and are doing that which you have decided is right, RATHER THAN trying to gain her approval.

I rarely think it's appropriate or necessary to apologize to a women (I think it usually does more harm than good), but in this case I think her anger and frustration are justified and only you can know if an actual apology is in order.

But at any rate, talk to her, don't make a big deal out of it, say your piece, and then immediately make plans with her, ASSUMING, do you hear me? ASSUMING that it is over and done with.

Ever see a toddler fall down and look at their parent to see if a freak-out is in order or whether to just let it slide? It's all in the parent's hands. If the parent shows alarm, the baby will freak. If the parent shows no response, or amusement, the baby will think, "eh, whatever" and go on.

Women are children in most ways. She will, most assuredly, take her cues from you on how she should react to it. If you show nervousness and alarm, she will feed off of that. If you show calm assurance, she will be relieved and she will most likely trust you. The older I get the more I realize the power we men have. Women take their cues from external sources, and what we project is what will be reflected back.

In this situatian, and in life,

ASSUME AUTHORITY.
 

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rocket87 said:
How often do you usually see her?

How many days has it been since you this went down?
I won't be back in her two for 2 more weeks. Work has me in another state at the moment.

This took place 5 days ago, on Tuesday. She has a pretty busy schedule on the weekdays, so I am thinking I should call tomorrow (Sunday)?
 

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I have not contacted her for the past 5 days since this argument occurred. I am thinking of calling tomorrow, but there is a high chance of me getting her voicemail. Would it be wise to just leave a short message based off the advice you guys have given, in the case that she doesn't asnwer? I won't be back in her city for the next 2 weeks due to working in another state.

A little more information about the whole ex thing. It was after I asked if she felt whether I was playing with her emotions, that she brought up the ex. She mentioned that the guy did that for 2 years, and it totally ruined her. During this argument, she mentioned that she has been a mess since november when her ex tried coming back into her life. She is hurt because according to her, this ex asked for her hand in marriage, promised a life with her, but then kept changing his mind. She ended up breaking up with him, and said it broke her heart to do so, and she has been ****ed up since november. According to her, she didn't want to share this stuff with me as she felt it wouldn't have made a difference between us.

After all this ex talk, she told me she had to go, that she was "done with this conversation", to which I replied "so am I". She then said bye, and we parted ways.
 

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I agree with the guy above me. When I read your post it made me mad. You come off as a fake weirdo. Secondly, I think Atom Smasher has good advice. I hope you don't take it though.
 

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I agree with the guy above me. When I read your post it made me mad. You come off as a fake weirdo. Secondly, I think Atom Smasher has good advice. I hope you don't take it though.
 

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getready said:
I hope you don't take it though.
What are you trying to imply by this?

Yes, Atom did give good advice that I will probably act upon. I do feel that an apology is in order here. I am actually pretty embarrassed by what I did. Had I known what has been going through, I would have been much more considerate and understanding in the way I have been communicating with her. I should have been more considerate even if she wasn't going through her emotional issues with the ex. If I were her I'd be annoyed and angered as well. I feel that I acted totally out of character with the whole asking her to wait thing..

Anyways, I will be giving her a call in the next few hours. If I get her voice mail, I'll leave a brief message. I will leave it up to her if she wants to continue communicating afterward.
 

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BigKuta said:
I told her she'd have to wait until I figured out the details. Since that day, I would bring up this "amazing idea" I have, but constantly kept telling her to wait just a little longer. She mentioned that she felt like I was playing games.
Was that your idea of being all mysterious in the hope that she would be panting with anticipation ?

Beyond lame.
 

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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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