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Hello everybody. I found this website, and a couple other similar websites (using the same terminology e.g. AFC) a week or two back after searching google for how to attract girls or something like that, because I am 15 now and have never had a girlfriend, nor asked one out because I . I consider myself to have a handsome face (or at least average) and many people have actually said that, but I'm also rather short for my age (5'5). I will stop growing at around 5'8 so I will never be tall and handsome. I work out a lot and am quite defined and do lots of running, so I'd say I'm quite physically attractive, just minus points on my height. I spent a couple of hours a day for a few days reading everything I could on this website, then a couple of articles on bristollair just to familiarize myself with the 'PUA Community' or whatever you like to call it. Let's cut to the chase:

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English's Field Report # 1 #
Time in the field: 1 hour #
Sets Approached: 3 #
Average: 1 Approach per 20 minutes#
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(sorry, long post it's sort of a diary entry of a sarging session).

Today was my first 'sarging session', and my friend's also. We travelled through a shopping centre (Malls for any Americans, i think) looking for sets to approach. First we noticed the lack of approachable sets, they were either too young, or too old mainly as for 15 year old lads your choices are quite limited due to age for either ethical or social reasons.

I made the first approach, which is the first set I have ever opened and had 3 7/8HBs in. I asked in a loud, but friendly voice: "Hey, can I get a quick opinion on something? :D Do you think I would suit totally bleached blond hair" whilst using my hands to demonstrate spiked up hair (p.s, thanks to Tyler for the opener, as I was genuinely considering dyeing my hair partially blond anyway :)
The girls replied: "No, but I think maybe blond tips or something might suit you :)"
I realized I had just approached a set of girls who were too young really so I decided to bail:
"Ah well I might do that then, thanks for the opinion, cya".
A pretty lame set, but my first, and a realization that stopping girls dead in their tracks does not seem weird or anything.

Straight after I approached a 2 set of 7s with the same opener, and a similar response of getting tips in my hair or just streaks. I was told my eyebrows would not match and we talked about what hairstyle might suit me for a minute or so. I left, and I realized that I needed to escalate the conversation onto other topics with my next set, but how to do this... I was not sure.

My wingman approached 2 sets, using the opener I had used, but it was obvious the opener did not work for him, and he got blown off on the second one with the girl looking at him, then dragging her friend as if they were in a hurry (they might have been, but she seemed to be more of a ***** than anything). He said that was a positive experience being blown off, since he knew what to expect in future and had less fear of rejection.

I approached my final set, which was a 5 set of 9HBs, who had very stylish clothes on and were around my height. I had no clear target on this set, since they were all ****in' gorgeous but I decided the target was the set, and to try and control the frame on them whilst being cool, confident, ****y and funny blah blah. I felt I had approached these with a slower, calmer voice whilst smiling more too probably. They all stopped and looked, then really made a fuss over what would suit me. Apparently I would not suit bleach blond hair because of my eyebrows and shaving my eyebrows off would not be a cool thing to do, but blond highlights spiked up would look very cool on me. The 'Dominant' girl in the group told me I looked kinda like a public-schoolboy because of my jumper with a shirt's collars coming out (Public School in England = Private School in America, schools that royals and rich kids go to). I told her that I liked that observation. I was then asked my name, and my age in quick sucession by different girls. I should have made them guess my name or something, I guess, but I was happy for the two IOIs. A girl then complimented me, and I asked her friends if she was hitting on me, to which they agreed she was :rock:. When I told them I was 15, I told them: "Yeah, I know I'm short, but you know it's not about the size of the dog, but the bite in his soul" to which they all laughed. They were all laughing at everything I said, and I wasn't being very funny, so I took this as an IOI again, then told them I had to go get my Mum a Mother's day present and asked if they had any suggestions. They told me what they had got their Mums, and we bade farewell.

After controlling the frame on the entire group, being cool, funny confident and receiving lots of IOIs my wingman told me he was amazed at how well I had done that (to tell you the truth, so was I :p), and said I should have took it further and got some numbers.

Now the point of this post:
I need advice on how I should have escalated it from there, I mean I stopped them dead in their tracks in a crowded busy shopping centre and how would I get a number/email off anybody in their group?

How do I move onto other things, whilst still gaming the group.

Experienced players only please, I don't want crappy posts such as "You should have just asked one of them for their number there and then" because that would seem very incongruent and weird.

Cheers in advance,
English.
 

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well done, except for:

"Yeah, I know I'm short"

If you are selling a product, it's not your job to formulate objections - it's her job. What if those girls had not yet noticed? Don't point out your shortcomings or you will talk yourself out of the sale.

Otherwise, you are very advanced for a 15 year-old. You get good at 'the game' when it becomes so fun that you do not notice that it is a game. Just have fun, be outgoing, laugh and joke with strangers, build a life away from chasing girls, and you will turn into the type of man that women want.

btw, you are not especially short. fuhgettaboutit
 

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Thanks for the reply. I realized I had made a mistake by even saying I was short, so thanks for that pointer. Also I have a good life away from chasing girls, with lots of hobbies etc However what I really need help on is how to move onto further topics, and create comfort with them. It's quite hard to continually work a 5-set in the middle of a shopping mall. I figured out a target by the end (the girl who I negged, or attempted to anyway) but had no possible way of extracting her/isolating her from the 5-set... I need like a step-by-step method of going through a Pick-Up, if one exists. I'd be very grateful for any links anybody can give me.

Cheers,
English
 

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move onto further topics, and create comfort with them.

Find common ground. When sales people make idle chitchat before a sales pitch, they are probing to find a way to make themselves similar to the prospect. People are most comfortable with people who are most similar to themselves. This behavior is linked to our long history as humans of living in small clans; it's a survival mechanism that we all share.

You found some common ground with the shopping for Mother's day, but that is a temporary thing, which is why it doesn't transition well. If you have all of those hobbies, then surely there are girls who are interested in those same things. Even if you can get her to just express an interest in a hobby that sounds fun, there is your common ground. "Oh, you like that too? That's neat. Not everyone is into ____, like us. Give me your email - we'll keep in touch."

Common ground undermines the ASD - she can frame it not as giving out personal info to a stranger who is hitting on her (slvt), but as just meeting a new person with a shared interest (not a slvt).
 

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Yeah I understand about the limitation of petty topics like Mother's day lol, but how could I insert one of my hobbies (Rock Climbing for instance) into the conversation? If it's 5pm and I'm about to go home, then saying I'm meeting my friend to go Rock Climbing does not sound authentic. Saying "sooo do you like rock climbing?" obviously sounds like I'm too desperate to find common ground? So anymore help on that from anybody would be very much appreciated.
Cheers,
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I'm no ultimate player but there's two easy tips that could have EASILY given you more time to talk to them

1. Know some relevant stories after your opener and tell them. Say your getting the highlights because your going to cancun after winning tickets with your best friend, I don't know...any story that shows a history of some of your personality. Knowing fun, cool stories is just what social people do. It grabs the other person's attention and gives an excuse to reveal things about one another. People LOVE hiding behind excuses. Look at why so many people including myself have LOST opportunities because we simply made an excuse.

2. After some point play some kind of a game with one of them. You know the game where you place your hands on top and move them away before the other persons slaps them? Do that. You can bust on them for being slow with their answers and say "let me see something, come here". Play the game and make her flinch by faking you'll do it and if you've conveyed personality at this point the other girls will want to play. Any game would work, any game. (I'm looking for other suggestions)

You did the hardest thing by opening, time to work on the other parts now too....
 
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