First Call Problems

[El MonoLoco]

Lately after I meet a chick.I've been stuck leaving messages on Voice Mails for my first call after closing for the # and it's starting to bug me. I wonder if I'm calling at the wrong times. I usually call a girl anywhere from 3-5 days after getting the # and usually I call in the early evenings 4-8pm. But I keep getting the Voice Mail.

This isn't just for 1 chick, this has happened about 3 times in the last 2 weeks!

What do you guys think is the best thing to do when you get Voice Mail on your first call to a chick?

I usually leave a message about a possible date and say " call me back"...

I don't want to be creepy and call without leaving a message or continue calling without talking to someone at least.

Any thoughts???

 

[msg]

at the moment i'm pretty good at getting girls to talk to me on the first phone call but it sort of goes down hill after that for me, based on what i've been told and what i have read if you're getting phone flakes then it's because you are not doing certain things in the first meeting, it's very hard to get a chick that you have met on a cold approach to meet up with you again unless you have created a time bridge that gives her a good excuse to see you again, something my friend does is he sticks his sunglasses in the girls purse with his business card so she has to call him up and meet in order to return it, i'm not saying that this is a good idea as it might get expensive but you need to create a reason for why she should see you again apart from going out on a date

at the moment when i call i expect to get the voice mail so i usually have something funny prepared, like i'll tell her that i ran into one of her friends last night and she won't believe what they told me... i'll make up some story and because it's not true i'll usually say oh sorry, i thought they were you're friends but maybe they were talking about someone else who has a similar name... usually i do some cold reading during the first phone call as well, like a numerology reading

the first call tends to go well for me but it's all down hill after that so if anybody has any good tips on how to go from phone to meet up i would love to hear it, i got one chick who flaked out on me 5 times, but she still loves talking to me on the phone wtf!!!

 

[reyalp]

try the fake ATM receipt bit, see if it changes your success rate any

 

[Warlord]

To everyone: A girl will make herself available to you if she is interested in dating you. as long as you show her you're not desperate, it's all good.

and for msg, i usually give up after the 1-2 flakes, stop being too nice and friendly with girls who won't even respect you to respond to you in a timely manner or even go out on a date with you.

 

[El MonoLoco]

I agree with you msg about the cold approaches but I was damn near fvckin this one girl on the dance floor, we talked a bit and she seemed curious about me life and she gave ME a kiss and said call her. I think I waited to long to call though or like I said earlier I called at the wrong time, cause I got the VM again.

Most of these girls will give me their cell phone #. So naturally I assume they have it on them when I call. I'm not really that worried about it. It just has been happening a lot recently so I was curious.

Also if they don't call you back after leaving the message is it better to NEXT them or give them 1 more shot? Sometimes I'll call a girl the 2nd time and things go fine from there. But not always.

Any thoughts?

 

[msg]

ha ha, yes that's why i'm doing the bootcamp... to give me the skills to get more numbers

personally i don't like to give up because i see it as practice, a challenge to improve my phone game, basically any chick who hasn't told me to f-off, i set aside one day a week to call them, usually sunday nights at the moment... i didn't used to do this but i saw a post that jlax wrote and he said that he doesn't give up until the chick tells him to f-off so i decided to do the same

 

[Tomatoes]

Im the same as msg. Will call a girl unless she tells me to fvck off. I alway ring around 7:30. Everyones free at 7:30

 

[Fash]

Have a look at this guys, its an article titled "9 steps to a solid second meeting"

http://www.bristollair.com/outergame/techniques/tactics/9stepstoasolidsecondmeeting/

I found this to be very useful.

But bare in mind though, no matter WHAT you do, some girls are natural flakers. They will give you their number and then flake!

The good thing is that they at least let us know that they are a bunch of useless flakers at an early stage!

;-)

 

[msg]

thanks dude this is good stuff, mystery method deals with a lot of this stuff too, you need to have solid game

at the moment i'm experimenting with both direct and indirect game because i tend to hesitate to ask for the number when ejecting mainly because i know it will never lead to anything, getting numbers is good practice but doesn't mean jack in the long run, but still have to learn and improve a bit at a time

cheers

 

[El MonoLoco]

Thanks Fash...that explained alot...

I can see where my lack of an extended conversation could lead to flakiness on the first phone call. I tend to close way to fast...

I got a chick to give me her # in 30 seconds once...it never worked out but it was a blast learning I could close that fast...


I guess I'll just concentrate on the conversation for a bit see where that gets me...

Any more thoughts????

 

[El MonoLoco]

Damn it!!!

Happened again....and I was with this chick for like 2 hours...Even got the kiss close and set up a meeting this week. When I called yesterday I got the Voice mail again!



ARG!

 

[blinkwatt]

Dont take it personal or anything when girls flake. Eventually you will find someone that you think"Damn where has she been?" and you will connect and get somewhere. All those flakes and other learning expierences help you to appreciate what you have when you get it. I fell short once in the past month,then I meet this other chick at a gym and bam. This chick that I have meet has somehow managed to become my girlfriend in two weeks. All those times I have failed/learned a lesson in the past just helped me to do/say all the right things around this one.

 

[El MonoLoco]

Yea it's just frustrating not being able to take any of these encounters any further. But you win some you lose some huh.