operationivy412
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hey, im just curious, how did everyone find this site?
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
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“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Mind_Body_Soul
Senior Don Juan
I got broken up with by this girl back when I was in college. Before her, I was always the "c+f" dude, never got dumped, but with this girl I was different. I bought her crap and treated her like the total AFC. I was so confused why she would dump me.
So I searched google for things like "women irrational behavior" and "why do women dump men". I found David DeAngelo's little self-promoting website, bought the e-book, got into the forums, followed links, and here I ended up.
So I searched google for things like "women irrational behavior" and "why do women dump men". I found David DeAngelo's little self-promoting website, bought the e-book, got into the forums, followed links, and here I ended up.
Pure accident. I had a search engine pull up a page that i totally didnt intend, and there was some "seduction" stuff on there (not this page). So i clicked on a few articles and my eyes were opened by the wisdom. Then i started searching "seduction" like crazy, and it was inevitable that i'd find this site in short time then.operationivy412 said:
Now i'm just wishing i had this website back when i was 16. Oh sure, i had my few women, but had i had this level of knowledge, i could have tripled my success.
Mind_Body_Soul
Senior Don Juan
Same here. I would have done much better at school than I did had I known... but that is water under the bridge.azanon said:
Vulpine
Master Don Juan
I was running a search for something completely unrelated at work, clicked a link to see if it had what I wanted, and it turns out it was here.
I didn't know that I wanted it or needed it, but I found it, became interested, realized the sh!t here was like winning the lottery, and began my evolution.
I didn't know that I wanted it or needed it, but I found it, became interested, realized the sh!t here was like winning the lottery, and began my evolution.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
after I f*cked up with a girl that initially acted interested in me, I recalled a guy once discussing (in jest) something called "Ladder Theory." I searched for that and began to renounce my old chumpish ways after reading about it. Soon found a link to fastseduction.com and went over that stuff for a couple months. Eventually moved on to this site because it's more holistic (not just about sex) and constantly updated.
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Got bored of the drama, women, and regulars at Askmen.com. Probably found a link somewhere related to David D, or had searched. I can't remember. 1200posts + has fried brain here. Stayed because I liked the regular posters and the new posters.
Got bored of the drama, women, and regulars at Askmen.com. Probably found a link somewhere related to David D, or had searched. I can't remember. 1200posts + has fried brain here. Stayed because I liked the regular posters and the new posters.
I was searching for some more free Doc Love articles and the search brought me to this site: I liked the layout back then better.
http://web.archive.org/web/20030206214010/http://www.sosuave.com/
http://web.archive.org/web/20030206214010/http://www.sosuave.com/
Quiksilver
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First girl I ever asked out flaked on me a little over a year ago. I was pretty realistic with myself and accepted that I might have a problem. Googled something about getting a girlfriend, and found sosuave.com...I'm infinitely happy I found sosuave.com about 3 months before i found ss.net.
Michele l'Arcangelo
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met the hottest girl from an "ex" from elementary... she was definitely interested in me and definitely gave me plenty of chances over a coarse of many months but i could never really talk to her face-to-face.
she gave up on me and i became super desperate... so i searched specifically for help.
never thought i'd look for help on the internet.
she gave up on me and i became super desperate... so i searched specifically for help.
never thought i'd look for help on the internet.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
I broke up with the girl that was the most intense relationship I've ever had. She twisted my self-image so hard I was nothing without her at the time. I am proud that at least I had the intelligence to see it and break it up myself.
Nevertheless I was DEVASTATED. Started searching on the internet to see why I couldn't find no one after her. What was so wrong about me that no one but her gave me the time of the day? Before her, I had a good time with women. Not great, but good enough.
When I found out this site, it all made so fvckin sense I was baffled. It took a long time for me to learn the basics, and I still have many things to master, but I do know that my inner game is spot on at this time and I know where I am going now. I just love my life, myself and what I do.
And I doubt I would realize all this on my own. That's why this site is one of the best things that ever happened to me... I would NEVER find advice like this outside this forum.
Also, the older guys' perspective on things is something that enrichs my life so much. It's nice to know what stuff is at play later in life from a perspective of someone who has the right idea about things without the brainwashing. I am 21 and have the luxury to ask guys who are 30+ things about life, something that would be HARD to do with people I know personally.
I love this forum.
Nevertheless I was DEVASTATED. Started searching on the internet to see why I couldn't find no one after her. What was so wrong about me that no one but her gave me the time of the day? Before her, I had a good time with women. Not great, but good enough.
When I found out this site, it all made so fvckin sense I was baffled. It took a long time for me to learn the basics, and I still have many things to master, but I do know that my inner game is spot on at this time and I know where I am going now. I just love my life, myself and what I do.
And I doubt I would realize all this on my own. That's why this site is one of the best things that ever happened to me... I would NEVER find advice like this outside this forum.
Also, the older guys' perspective on things is something that enrichs my life so much. It's nice to know what stuff is at play later in life from a perspective of someone who has the right idea about things without the brainwashing. I am 21 and have the luxury to ask guys who are 30+ things about life, something that would be HARD to do with people I know personally.
I love this forum.
After reading some AFC (I didn't know that term then) write on the internet that he planned to treat his first date by laying her path with rose petals (!) and all kinds of wrong wrong stuff, I was inspired to demand an advice forum/guide to chicks, at another site where we laugh and point at such retardosity.
My advice was much the same as the DJ way - have a backbone, tease women, don't kiss their asses. So one day I was searching for examples of 'negs' to illustrate the concept, and found this site. I'd recently read the term in a newspaper article about PUAs, and their approach and the concept of negs fitted in with a lot of what I'd learnt about women, as did this site when my search brought me here. So I stayed to pass on my years of experience with a wider audience.
My advice was much the same as the DJ way - have a backbone, tease women, don't kiss their asses. So one day I was searching for examples of 'negs' to illustrate the concept, and found this site. I'd recently read the term in a newspaper article about PUAs, and their approach and the concept of negs fitted in with a lot of what I'd learnt about women, as did this site when my search brought me here. So I stayed to pass on my years of experience with a wider audience.
ValleyDJing
Master Don Juan
I was messing around hella bored one night and I was just looking for jokes and stuff on the internet. I thought what the hell and I typed in pickup lines in google and got a list on AskMen.com. It was worth a good laugh, I clicked a few links, found the sosuave quick tips page and started reading, just devouring the material (thinking damn, 'I f.ucked that up' the whole time :crackup: ). After about a half year I finally decided to join the forum. Kinda funny, I'm actually thinking about leaving pretty soon.
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Reference to Pook on the Mystery Method Forum- which I found through reading The Game.
Drum&Bass
Master Don Juan
My whole life was/is one night stands, hook-ups, and F-Buddies..I got lonely with that lifestyle and thought I could learn things to do to get a girlfriend (my dad couldn't help me because he was/is AFC)I started searching for things about how to get girls etc.., I found a bunch of relationship forums which I lurked in for awhile..
I googled something (forget what it was) and I saw the tips section (front page) I then noticed there was a forum, I knew it was legit because alotta of the stuff that is taught here is what I had been doing all along..then i started reading about womens behavior and what I learned was profound/impressive/brilliant.
Now its less about women and more about being the best man I can be, I've grown tremendously because of sosuave...I owe much to this place and the people who are apart of it.
I googled something (forget what it was) and I saw the tips section (front page) I then noticed there was a forum, I knew it was legit because alotta of the stuff that is taught here is what I had been doing all along..then i started reading about womens behavior and what I learned was profound/impressive/brilliant.
Now its less about women and more about being the best man I can be, I've grown tremendously because of sosuave...I owe much to this place and the people who are apart of it.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
RedPill
Master Don Juan
I moved back from Florida to my hometown exactly two years ago today. My life was really off track then, and I had oneitis for some chick who was not even that hot. I was broke, my friends were irresponsible douchebags, and I realized that if I ever want to accomplish my life dreams, I needed to seriously take stock, deconstruct everything, and reinvent myself from the ground up.
At the time I had decided to move home, I had a list of all the spheres of my life that needed work. Near the top of that list was dealings with women. When I started reading and then lurking on this forum, I realized that I had so many pieces of the puzzle in place already in life, including with women, but the total mind fvck was to learn that most of my current failures in life from birth until then were a result of years and years of severe AFC programming.
Get good grades. Go to college. Get married. Make babies. Serve and Supplicate. Do as you're told. Don't rock the boat. And for Christ's sake, don't ever question authority, or women for that matter!
When it occurred to me what was going on, I literally lost my appetite. I didn't - couldn't - eat for a week. It took a whole month of me just writing thoughts down to assess the damage, and that self-introspection time was critical in helping figure out how to take control. The following month I joined a gym, started a business, and started posting on this forum. All of a sudden, that red/blue pill analogy (as well as many other elements) from the Matrix made a whole lot of sense. Looking back on these last two years, it's absolutely amazing how much can change in such a short period of time when you will it to happen.
I don't read and sporadically post here for basic advice on picking up women, but because this place helps keep me vigilant against regressing back to old familiars in a world where we're bombarded on a daily basis with the AFC agenda. Where else in the offline (or even the online) world can you have such candid discussions about some of these topics without creating an uproar amongst the sheeple?
At the time I had decided to move home, I had a list of all the spheres of my life that needed work. Near the top of that list was dealings with women. When I started reading and then lurking on this forum, I realized that I had so many pieces of the puzzle in place already in life, including with women, but the total mind fvck was to learn that most of my current failures in life from birth until then were a result of years and years of severe AFC programming.
Get good grades. Go to college. Get married. Make babies. Serve and Supplicate. Do as you're told. Don't rock the boat. And for Christ's sake, don't ever question authority, or women for that matter!
When it occurred to me what was going on, I literally lost my appetite. I didn't - couldn't - eat for a week. It took a whole month of me just writing thoughts down to assess the damage, and that self-introspection time was critical in helping figure out how to take control. The following month I joined a gym, started a business, and started posting on this forum. All of a sudden, that red/blue pill analogy (as well as many other elements) from the Matrix made a whole lot of sense. Looking back on these last two years, it's absolutely amazing how much can change in such a short period of time when you will it to happen.
I don't read and sporadically post here for basic advice on picking up women, but because this place helps keep me vigilant against regressing back to old familiars in a world where we're bombarded on a daily basis with the AFC agenda. Where else in the offline (or even the online) world can you have such candid discussions about some of these topics without creating an uproar amongst the sheeple?
Docs
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I had a coworker that used to be on the site, and he decided to show me the all seeing light to women. So one day when I was hijacking someone's wireless internet and he came to use the phone, he typed in SS.com and I poked around a bit.
My history before that, one exgirlfriend, never kissed, never sexed, never...went outside the box. Needless to say, I needed a major reamp in quality. Over the months, I read, and implimented. That's all I did. I discovered a inner confidence I could only of dreamt of years ago, I grew real balls (not those fake ones!), and started to get out of my comfort zone.
Now, I can SEE the difference that this site has made in me. I am not only happy with where I am with meeting new women, but the sheer confidence I now have is earth shattering. Not to mention I learnt a few tricks here and there, and my developed cold reading ability is 110%. That, and I feel like the man, not the kid.
My history before that, one exgirlfriend, never kissed, never sexed, never...went outside the box. Needless to say, I needed a major reamp in quality. Over the months, I read, and implimented. That's all I did. I discovered a inner confidence I could only of dreamt of years ago, I grew real balls (not those fake ones!), and started to get out of my comfort zone.
Now, I can SEE the difference that this site has made in me. I am not only happy with where I am with meeting new women, but the sheer confidence I now have is earth shattering. Not to mention I learnt a few tricks here and there, and my developed cold reading ability is 110%. That, and I feel like the man, not the kid.
It might sound funny, but I was pretty much head over heels for a hot ass younger bartender chick that gave me her # without me asking, then proceeded to flake on me.
The really funny part is that while she was talking to me the night she gave me her digits, she was twirling her hair with her finger. I had heard a little about body language so I decided to look up what it meant when a chick played with her hair while she was talking to you, and BINGO! I found sosuave.
I still royally fukked up with that chick, but from that point on my entire life finally made sense.
Why were some women into me and others not? Why was a woman hot for me one minute, then cold the second I called her too soon or acted too anxious?
Once I studied the subject in depth I realized that it isn't rocket science and I was simply programmed to be a pu$$y from birth.
Nowadays I come back around when I get a chance cause I'm absolutely fascinated by male/female sexual relations.
The really funny part is that while she was talking to me the night she gave me her digits, she was twirling her hair with her finger. I had heard a little about body language so I decided to look up what it meant when a chick played with her hair while she was talking to you, and BINGO! I found sosuave.
I still royally fukked up with that chick, but from that point on my entire life finally made sense.
Why were some women into me and others not? Why was a woman hot for me one minute, then cold the second I called her too soon or acted too anxious?
Once I studied the subject in depth I realized that it isn't rocket science and I was simply programmed to be a pu$$y from birth.
Nowadays I come back around when I get a chance cause I'm absolutely fascinated by male/female sexual relations.