"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

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Fifth Date Ideas?

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I am going on a fifth date with this great woman this weekend but I have no idea what to do. On the first date we went to a cafe/bar, on the second date we played pool, on the third date we went ice skating and then saw a jazz band perform, and on the fourth date we went to a restaurant. She isn't much of a drinker, so going to a bar again would be out of the question. I'm tempted to cave and ask her if she'd like to go for dinner and then catch a movie, but that seems so incredibly unoriginal. I also can't suggest any outdoor activities since we are enduring some very harsh weather... Also, we both live with our parents at the moment, thus we can't stay at one of our places for the night.

Can anyone recommend some alternatives to a dinner/movie? What do you usually do on a fifth date?
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Why not let her take you somewhere for a change?

Why not let her, just this time, invest her time in thinking how to make this night interesting for you?

Just tell her 'I'm all yours tonight, surprise me!'.
 
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I'm assuming you have already banged her, right? Otherwise you might as well watch Sex in the City and talk about cute boys with her on your 5th date.

But in all seriousness, by date #3 the venue should be someones's place. So since you both live with parents, how do you expect to ever get anywhere sexually with her? Take her camping would be my suggestion.
 
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Don't make it a date per se. Just do activities together no matter how mundane. You can't come up with a lifetime of dates, not even during a lifetime. This also tests her interest level. If she's willing to go to the mall with you while you look for new boots, then you know she likes spending time with you no matter what you do.

If she's moanin, bıtching, fussin and cussin that she's getting bored, she's all about instant expensive fun [at your cost]. Hopefully this isn't the case. She should be beyond comfortable with you at this point to be down with doing a multitude of different outings.

Good luck.
 
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Can't you go see a sports team?
I've always thought it'd be awesome to see a local footy team, one which neither of you know any of the player's names etc. and just have a laugh whether they win or lose.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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If you haven't fvcked her, then the next date will be at your place. Put on a movie, make out with her, and it will all progress to sex. Usually that's what I do for a 3rd or 4th date.
 
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Desdinova said:
If you haven't fvcked her, then the next date will be at your place. Put on a movie, make out with her, and it will all progress to sex. Usually that's what I do for a 3rd or 4th date.
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Listen to Desdinova.

Cafe. Pool. Ice Skating. Jazz band. Restaurant.

Jesus Christ, buddy. I don't give GIRLFRIENDS that kind of variety of dates. You're doing this for a girl you're just beginning to date. And I'm guessing you haven't had sex with her.

So invite her to your place and escalate things. No more of this "I'm trying to impress you with cool and unique dates." stuff. Your place for dinner, board games, and a movie. And that's it.

The longer you keep things out of your home, the less likely you are to keep this girl.

Like Desdinova said, this type of stuff is supposed to happen on date 3 or 4. By the 5th date, a girl should be perfectly happy with appetizers and drinks (or coffee, in her case). You can't make every date unique and original. You'll run out of "new" things to do. Eventually it's just about you two having conversation and getting along.
 
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Hey guys, thanks for the advice!

I should have probably added that she gave me a hand job on the third date, and gave me head on the fourth date in my car before dropping her off to her house. It's difficult to invite her to my place, or vice-versa since we both live with our parents at the moment. We already discussed renting a hotel room for the weekend sometime soon so we can have some alone time in an actual room, rather than in a car...

I'm not worried at all about how we're progressing sexually, I just don't want to be that uncreative guy that brings her to a dinner and a movie. It just seems a bit cliched. But you guys are right, I shouldn't be trying to be creative every single date and we should be fine with just going out for dinner, so that's what we'll be doing tomorrow night.

Thanks again!
 
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