Field Report:Thoughts on MM...and My new game theory.."The Observational Game"

[Trendsetter]

Went out tonight with my wing to Tempe, AZ..actually met one of the puas from one of my communities at arizonapua.com.

I realized one thing, the pick up artist method, mm or whatever you call will not work for the time being. It will work on the chicks that are not hip to the game yet but any chick that has seen the show or whatever will not be fooled and if you haven't dhv'd her enough already may be turned off by you're so called pick up lines and will diss you if youve used anything close to one of those "lines"

So we went to the cherry lounge in tempe, az...right off the bat I see one of my g/fs from high school, every single guy must have had a crush on her in hs. Hug her talk to her, social proof through the roof, then I see one of my g/fs whose one of my best friends sisters, more sp...walk up to the bar with my wing and go up to a girl and ask how she's doing..(she was sitting by her self, talking to guys and girls here and there)..heres where my game "the observational theory" begins..

I go up to her, ask how shes doing, what shes drinking, who shes here with, I then ask her (observational theory) where she got her purse from (most girls have nice purses) she tells me her mom gave it to her..I go juggler and branch off that perfectly....I say

Me: oh yeah, well my sisters b-day is coming up in a few days and I want to get her something, but I dunno what to get her, I know girls love purses because my gf had a lot of purses bla bla bla maybe I should ask your mom what kind of purse I should get my sister because it looks like your mom has some style......bla bla bla..she was eating it up.

I branch off into my make up opener which is exclusive and funny as hell, it gets the gilr hooked, because I wear make up and ask for her opinion..

She was IOI ing the $hit out of me, grabbing my arm, telling me how funny I was bla bla bla, kept doing my observational game which is basically, OBSERVE WHATEVER SHES DOING OR WHATEVER SHES WEARING AND COMMENT ON IT, SAY SOMETHING FUNNY, OR COMPLIMENT ON IT.

she had a phone, (I work for a phone company) I started talking about how old and prehistoric her phone was (small neg) and how she needed to come to my store so Icould hook her up, she goes to ASU so I could give her the "asu discount," I gave her one observational theory opener about my clothes, got her laughing again. Told her that I was trying to switch my style up a little because the long white tee and baggy shorts wasnt working for me (lie, I have crazy style, look at my myspace lol) and I want to change it up so I canget attention from all the ladies lol...long story short I number closed and kissed her on the cheek. I could have kiss closed on the lips but I dont think my gf would have liked that. Wont call her again but it was fun. BTW, in the club, when the music is loud, use that to your advantage when talking to a chick and get some cheap kino in by whispering in her ear and putting your ands on her face to move her closer to you to whisper to her.

Next set.

my wing whos I was teaching the game to, did a perfect "Observational Theory" opener on a 2 set at slices in Tempe.

one girl was hot, the other was pretty good looking but not as hot as the other. He opened the lesser attractive one by saying "thats a nice tatoo, did it hurt when you got it" perfect opener...started gaming her, he then commented on the hotter girls tatoo also, then started talking to the other one. I winged the hot girl perfectly. I asked her if her's hurt, why she got it, if she had any other ones, she showed me the one on the right side of her stomach, went "observational" on her, started a b/s story about how my ex wanted to get one bla bla, and how I want a tatoo but I amy regret it in the long run, bagged her on her phone because she kept texting on it (me I work for a phone company so I get the newest and best phones and I know a lot about phones), she has tmobile and I work for another carrier so I said "you have tmobile...boo" (observational) she started laughing, and I told her to cometo where I work, started convo on that, did observational about my make up, worked like a charm (YES I WEAR EYE LINER, GREAT conversation starter, no homo), told her that I work for a phone company and used to work as a "professional pinata stuffer" (juggler, IN, worked like a charm), got to a point where me and my wing had a little audience watching us game these 2 hot broads waiting for their friends to get pizza, I have a really unique african name which I just found out is a conversation starter in itself, I basically gave her my license and told her to pronounce my name, the hotter girl got it right, I gave her a "pebble" (omg u got it right, I love you, were getting married lol, not too many people get it right blablab la, the less hot girl got it wrong, "pebbled" her, said were getting divorced, your done, get out of her, bla bla, they were jockin..) I wont say th eopener I say about people with common names because it will get out in the community, but I was IN with that.

Finally rolled off b/c my buddy wasnt trying to close, hes too picky but I said we need toget our pizza b/c we were up next in line and left them to be.

3rd and final set, actually this was the second set of the night but saved it for last and it is in my opinion why mm has its downfalls for now.

So me and my wing are walking and we walk past this hot dog stand....we go observational on her, she pays with her credit card and the guy say sher first and last name (I remember her name, look her up n myspace, yeah I know stalkerish, but she was FINE and it made me even more upset I went mm b/c it was going so well, Ill explain) so I repeat her name, it was unique, it meant "green" in spanish and I started talking about that (I coulda used my name to spark the convo but didnt), went "observational" on ehr purse, used the same opener I used on the first chick, worked, (IN) she started talking about how she actually has more shoes than purses, went "obsrvational" on how she can look cool eating a hot dog and keeping a cnoversation, worked (IN), didn't talk about my makeup, woulda worked, (I'll call it it, reverse obsrvational)...I even ask if the glasses she was wearing (more observational) were for style or if they were prescription (they were some stylish bebe glasses), she gives me her glasses, to try on for myself, they were prescription but she was IN.

OK so heres how I messed up and heres how it looks "try hard" according ot my ex gf and I totally lost it and I know it

after some fluff...I out of the blue say "I want to play a game with you, it's called the 5 questions game" it's a really good game and is fun on a lot of chicks but this chick wasnt buying. It made a brief appearance by Brady on episode 5 of the "Pick up artist" but didnt go into detail, anyway, she finishes eating her hot dog and rolls her eyes, I ask her what that look was for, she says "Is this one of those pick-up lines" (obviously she was referring to the pick up artist because I was gaming and she was vibing up until this) I run the game on her, she loses on the 4th question, and she chuckles and walks away to join her friends.

YES I could have gotten her number, and I probably could have stopped her and said, "Hey, I enjoyed taling to you...and would like to talk to you later" or whatever b/s (I KNOW FOR A FACT, I could have gone direct and closed her, I KNOW I could have) but the fact the she came out of state and walked away when I was locked in made it seem like a lot of girls will be on the look out for whatever comes close to the pick up artist. I did the cologne opener 3 weeks ago and got called out by an "amog" saying " hey I saw th epick up artist" even though that opener wasnt even on the pick up artist.

Anyway all im saying is Im gonna adopt a new thory and I know it willwork on day game and night game and it allows you to branch out and be funny and be yourself with out all the canned material (because you WILL get called out if you approach a lot of girls, its mainstream now).

It's called "Observational game," thank me later. Peace

Trendsetter, AKA Williesacks.

 

[Trendsetter]

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[Snow Plowman]

Nice report, even though MM still can work if the guys who do it know how to get around it.

I recently been opening sets with the pickup artist.

I like the idea of observational game it sounds pretty cool, just not particularly my style.

Its good to see there are some people going out in the field :crackup:

I know Arizona has some dedicated guys as I've spoken to a few who live in Arizona.

Keep up the good work

 

[ketostix]

I agree with using observational game material. I call it situational, and it's my natural style and I gave up on using canned internet stories and routines a long time. I never did use them really. I didn't think they were very good or fit my personality. I will say observational or situational game is still indirect game and can folow the principle of MM or whatever.

 

[abcd_z]

Yeah, I disagree with that. The reason Mystery advocates canned openers is because any guy can, and does, use situational openers. Situational builds rapport. Canned openers build attraction. Even when the original poster starts with rapport-seeking (situational), he does follow it up with attraction material (makeup opener).

The reason you use canned openers in MM is that a lot of attractive women won't even give you the time of day if you seek rapport from the beginning. Especially not the nines and tens with who have to deal with this all the time.

Trendsetter, your problem lies in the fact that you had been going rapport-building from the start, transitioning from one subject to the next in a very natural style, then suddenly switch to a canned routine for no apparent reason. Since I didn't read anything about you displaying social value in that particular situation, and negs would be inappropriate since you've already built a lot of comfort, I would say your best bet would have been to push her through emotional states before going into the questions game. Specifically, pebbles, C+F, and what Tyler Durden calls mini cold reads.

Incidentally, you claim MM doesn't work, but I see you using bits from most of the gurus out there, including Mystery. The idea of verbalizing lower value while displaying higher value (professional pinata stuffer) was one of David Deangelo's, if I recall correctly. Pebbles is a term of Style's, Negs were created by Mystery, and a large portion of your game is based on Juggler's stuff. Don't get me wrong, obviously it's working for you. Just a little credit where credit's due.

Also, just for the record, what you're doing is not Mystery Method. Not even close. And using one routine you saw mentioned on The Pickup Artist doesn't make it so. If you were running MM-style game, and running tight game, she never would have asked you about it.

 

[ketostix]

Situational builds rapport. Canned openers build attraction.

I don't think canned openers builds attraction any more or as much as situational openers. I'm just glad you didn't say it created attraction. I think canned might make it or seems to make building rapport easier. Rapport can increase attraction. Situational assume rapport.

 

[Trendsetter]

Yeah, I disagree with that. The reason Mystery advocates canned openers is because any guy can, and does, use situational openers. Situational builds rapport. Canned openers build attraction. Even when the original poster starts with rapport-seeking (situational), he does follow it up with attraction material (makeup opener).

The reason you use canned openers in MM is that a lot of attractive women won't even give you the time of day if you seek rapport from the beginning. Especially not the nines and tens with who have to deal with this all the time.

Trendsetter, your problem lies in the fact that you had been going rapport-building from the start, transitioning from one subject to the next in a very natural style, then suddenly switch to a canned routine for no apparent reason. Since I didn't read anything about you displaying social value in that particular situation, and negs would be inappropriate since you've already built a lot of comfort, I would say your best bet would have been to push her through emotional states before going into the questions game. Specifically, pebbles, C+F, and what Tyler Durden calls mini cold reads.

Incidentally, you claim MM doesn't work, but I see you using bits from most of the gurus out there, including Mystery. The idea of verbalizing lower value while displaying higher value (professional pinata stuffer) was one of David Deangelo's, if I recall correctly. Pebbles is a term of Style's, Negs were created by Mystery, and a large portion of your game is based on Juggler's stuff. Don't get me wrong, obviously it's working for you. Just a little credit where credit's due.

Also, just for the record, what you're doing is not Mystery Method. Not even close. And using one routine you saw mentioned on The Pickup Artist doesn't make it so. If you were running MM-style game, and running tight game, she never would have asked you about it.

My bad if I said mm doesnt work I think what I was implying is that for the time being, using mm may get u called out on because of it going mainstream now. I know it works, I dont go full boar mystery but I have mm in my game.

My makeup, that's a minor form of peacocking for me, so thats a little mystery, I only use canned openers if I cant make any observations on what shes wearing or doing or "situational" if I cant make a comment about the situation going on. I actually follow a lot of styles teachings (I have the whole annihilation method, great material definitely not worth $4000). I use his "pebbles" a lot when Im in game.

I honestly havent read david d yet so I dont know too much about it (I think it has to do with c & f), I finished reading jugglers book and his style definitely fits me personally because I can branch off into my personality and I love the off the wall sayings to keep them on their toes. Overall I try to mix a combination of style (pebbles, club destroyer patterns, small games eg 5 questions etc) and Juggler (charisma arts), whose style fits me perfectly. I keep saying mm because style originated from mm just improved it a little (IMO)

Style is more "under the radar," I'm more comfortable with the girl knowing I like her and not being too indirect about it (mystery), or too direct (direct method), but somewhere in between, like observational.


Anyway back to the situation, yeah I agree, I have no idea why I went to canned material after my observational game, I could tell she was feeling me, I wasn't getting crazy ioi's but I definitely could have closed her with a "Hey, I have to get back to my buddies but I like talking to you and I'd like to talk to you later....give me your number" but instead I just started using the canned $hit and killed it.

 

[Randallpink83]

when were you on Mill? just this past weekend?

Last friday I was at Tavern and hit up Slices also, I freakin love slices.

Cherry Lounge is a cool spot to hit on mill... probably the best... Although i've spent a lot of time at Margarita Rocks and Tavern (hate tavern... but security always slips us in).

you ever hit up 'old town'? I prefer scottsdale over tempe.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I don't think canned openers builds attraction any more or as much as situational openers. I'm just glad you didn't say it created attraction. I think canned might make it or seems to make building rapport easier. Rapport can increase attraction. Situational assume rapport.

Canned material is like canned food; it's good for people who can't cook (aren't creative) or for people who want to learn how to cook but need an example to use to get their creative ideas going. Some guys learn how to cook multi-course meals while others are stuck eating Spaghetti-O's out of the can.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

I agree with using observational game material. I call it situational, and it's my natural style and I gave up on using canned internet stories and routines a long time. I never did use them really. I didn't think they were very good or fit my personality. I will say observational or situational game is still indirect game and can folow the principle of MM or whatever.

I agree with observational openers and actually use them a lot and it definitely falls under a subset of situational openers. I never executed canned material well either.

I don't see how opinion opener build attraction moreso than situational openers. You don't have to assume rapport IMO if you transition into something more playful like throwing in C&F (something I'm still working on).


I highly doubt mystery created the concept of "neg" either because I've seen that word thrown around A LOT (DJ Bible for one), and this was well before Mystery became mainstream. Seems to me like Mystery gets credit for a lot of things (opinion openers, negs, etc...) that I've seen other "gurus" preach before. I'll give credit to him for "peacocking" though, although I disagree with that 100%.

 

[Trendsetter]

when were you on Mill? just this past weekend?

Last friday I was at Tavern and hit up Slices also, I freakin love slices.

Cherry Lounge is a cool spot to hit on mill... probably the best... Although i've spent a lot of time at Margarita Rocks and Tavern (hate tavern... but security always slips us in).

you ever hit up 'old town'? I prefer scottsdale over tempe.

Yeah I like going to scottsdale, I live in Mesa so I go to Tempe quite a bit too. I was out this past saturday on mill. I hit up slices around 2:30 or so. I was in there with another black guy who was wearing a tie with a vest. Cherry Lounge is cool, but sometimes I feel dirty hitting up some of those crowded ass bars just form experience. I went to Dos in Tempe, my car got towed and there was throwup all over the ground there...but yeah I go pretty much wherever.