"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g7PLTTcFm0

I liked the video but the more safisfaction came reading the comments, I guess we are close to the critic mass to cause the change.

Also its always pleasable to see a feminist insulted and bashed, an instinct of justice and karma probably...
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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MGTOW folk should join the church and become ministers, priest or something. Its easier to abstain from women and s** in those places then mainstream society.
 

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PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
MGTOW makes no sense to me. No one can go their own way away from women. All you can do is choose celibacy I.e. not chasing women and beating off to pron lol. No one geta burned as often as me but Im not going to believe in this false choice just becauase of it.
I've brought up Manslow's heirarchy of needs on this forum, and every time I've been lambasted for it. "You pvssy, you don't need women, you don't need sex, you need air, food, and water, and that's it".

Well, sex is a lesser need that air, food, and water, that's certain. But I still think sex is a need in that it is a deep biological urge. It takes a great deal of self discipline to ignore it, or not to act on it.

Danger said:
Now, I have a gf, but I won't marry her. She knows it, and she knows why, yet she still chose to buy a house with me and live with me. Why do I consider that MGTOW?

Because I choose to interact with the world on my terms and according to the incentives and disincentives afforded me, as opposed to being shamed into doing things which only aid in siphoning off all of my heard earned wealth. But I also choose to fvk as I desire too.
I'm not getting married either, but I don't consider myself MGTOW. I think there is a difference between the Men's Rights group and MGTOW. Maybe it's a subtle difference, but it's there. Like Sam said, I think if you're making your own decisions that's just being a man.
 

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Danger said:
THIS is why I strongly believe being a man does mean MGTOW. The issue is that over the course of decades, feminism has extinguished the definition of "man" and has been working hard to implement their own definition in it's place.
I'm old enough that when I was growing up, they hadn't quite snuffed out that original definition of being a man. There were cracks around the edges and there were plans in the works, but the dam hadn't quite burst yet. Maybe that's why I look at being independent and making your own decisions as simply part of being a man, without having to hang a radical new name on it.

I tend to associate MGTOW with the idea of forgetting about the idea of having a woman (or women), and just trying to build a life for yourself without them and their associated bvllsh!t. I can see, however, how you might see building a life without the idea of marriage as falling into that category.
 
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