"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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If your female friend liked you how do they behave around you?

Do they get more emotional?


If they thought you were interested in them but they were not interested in you would they try find out about it or would they want to ignore it and pretend everything is normal?


If you both liked each other but both didn't know 100%. Would the female start asking you indirect questions and start touching you more etc?

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Anybody have any experiances?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Andy_Dufresne said:
If you are attracted to her, make a move on her.

Focus on making more guy friends - you don't need a lot of female "friends" hanging around, unless you want to come across more feminine.
It's something that happened before. I was friends with a girl and we both liked each other and I noticed how her behaviour changed. I'm not sure how much she liked me but there was more eye contact touching etc and sometimes she'd get angry with me for reasons I didn't know. I think looking back she must have been frustrated that I didn't make a move or something. Thats why I was asking about them becoming emotional.

I was AFC then so nothing happened!

There was also times when I liked a female friend but she wasn't interested in me and I'm sure she became a bit uncomfortable around me.
 

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Both Andy_Dufresne's posts seems to have dissapeared??

Amante Silvestre said:
Slaog, at the age of 28, if women just "like you" then they don't want to fuk you. They just want to be your friend.
I know that I'm basically looking to see how their behaviour changes.
 

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First of all, ask yourself why she would even have changed her mind. Women don't let you out of the friends zone for no reason. In order to get out of the zone, you would have had to demonstrated higher value in some way. If you haven't done this, and continued to act as a friend, then that's exactly what you are: one of her girlfriends. Nothing more, nothing less.
If you really want to know if she had a change of heart, go for it! Try to escalate the relationship and see if she follows. It would be very hard to tell from her body language if she's let you out of the friends zone.
Also, since you asked, if she knows you're interested and she's not, she will ingore the fact that you're interested and hope it never comes up. If it has come up, and you two were still friends afterward, and you try to escalate again, then I hope you're ready for the "I thought we were past this..." speech.
 

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Hmmm...must have pissed off the moderators or something. (?)

More thoughts, Sloag. I forget the book but...I read somewhere that only 10% of marriages are between people who slept with each other within the first month. I don't know if its that extreme but I know enough married folk and their tales to verify that this is somewhat accurate.

If your goal is LTR/marriage, and you see your friend as such, there may be something there to pursue.

Like my long time friend I was telling you about in my deleted post....since I already have firsthand knowledge of everything she is about..... except how she is in bed, it provides a different perspective and a different level of compassion vs "bang em first and figure out the rest later".
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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It's good to have female friends, I just have them as activity buddies more than anything. I really have no need to confide my feelings or whatever to women, I'll save that for my guy buddies.
 

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Andy_Dufresne said:
Hmmm...must have pissed off the moderators or something. (?)

More thoughts, Sloag. I forget the book but...I read somewhere that only 10% of marriages are between people who slept with each other within the first month. I don't know if its that extreme but I know enough married folk and their tales to verify that this is somewhat accurate.

If your goal is LTR/marriage, and you see your friend as such, there may be something there to pursue.

Like my long time friend I was telling you about in my deleted post....since I already have firsthand knowledge of everything she is about..... except how she is in bed, it provides a different perspective and a different level of compassion vs "bang em first and figure out the rest later".
Yes I saw that mentioned a few times by posters. When a women sees you as a long term relationship potential its less likely she'll want to sleep with you straight away because she wants to make a good impression and take things slowly.

If she doesn't see you as long term relationship potential she'll see you as a bit of fun only. This is depending on how much she likes you.
 

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All my female friends want to have sex with me at some level, that's how I see it. I like my female friends but I've gotten to the point where I let them call me way more than I call them. I'm not afraid to let them fall off the radar if that's the case.
 
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