"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Feeling so empty : The question of agony

Nikar

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Hi all!

Ok, first of all, today, I've found the source of all my agony for the past few days. It's like this.

A few days ago, I managed to get the phone number from a female stranger at the train station. I've seen her for a long time, and more or less, she's has seen me too.
Anyway, she got totally nervous and freaked out when I asked her for the number. She gave me the number anyway, and I overheard her saying later(to a friend) that she gave me the number so that I can leave quickly.
(that lady is a very very gorgeous soul and popular with the guys, I tell you)

So, now I've the phone number. I've vowed not to call her until I can find the answers to the questions below. I keep telling myself I need to seek the answers, or else I'll be living a painful death.

The question(s) are :

Yes, she gave me the number after I asked for it, but it was to get rid of me, not because she gave it willingly.

Who am I to call her? I'm a nobody! What right do I have? Why me?

She has lots of boys going after her like crazy. If she wants a boyfriend, she can easily pick one from her large group of guys.

Why does she even need me to call her? Who am I? Just another guy!

I really hope someone can enlighten me on this and show me the way. I'm not afraid to confess : I need help!
Nikar.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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studmuffin

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What? I'm not a DJ but god dam. She gave you the fvcking number. Are there qualifications for following up on a number that you get???????????????
 

arutha

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I'm a nobody! What right do I have? Why me?
Do not ask why kill the alien, ask why not?

Why shouldn't you? Except for the fact you heard her say it was only to get rid of you of course... But she would probably get over that if you were more confident in future.
 

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Thanks a lot, guys! :)

From arutha:
Why shouldn't you? Except for the fact you heard her say it was only to get rid of you of course... But she would probably get over that if you were more confident in future.
Yes, exactly. If she had given the number to me happily, I would have called her....but it was to get rid of me?!

I felt so defeated by that. It's like winning a battle because the enemy lets you win???!!! That's worst than losing the battle! Anyway, she was really freaked out that she didn't even have the time to think of a fake number!

So, in your opinions, guys....it's possible to turn all these into my favour?
The thing is : chances are that she will say :Why are you trying to get so close to me so fast? Don't act as if I've known you for a long time. I don't. U're just a stranger to me.

Thanks guys.
 

arutha

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Actually now I think about it... She didn't have time to think up a fake number? How hard is that to do? It could have just been an excuse to her friend, who might have been a bit uncomfortable with her dishing out her number to random people. Some friends are overprotective, so it very well could have been a simple excuse to her friend and nothing else. She had plenty of other ways to get rid of you if she really wanted.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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ApocalypseCow2

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Nikar, it sounds like you have some issues. Your post is riddled with laguage that shows you lack confidence and self-worth. You don't even know this woman, yet you automatically assume she is a better person than you.

You had the balls to get her number. Congrats. Now just give her a call. Yeah, she'll probably reject you. Big fvcking deal. You'll have the satisfaction that you took this thing to its logical conclusion, and maybe get some practice.
 

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Thanks a lot, Arutha and Apocalypse! I will try my best. Do wish me luck! :)
 

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I'm sorry to say that this is the reality of cold approaching. A lot of people will lead you to believe if you have the balls to approach, it's easy sailing from there. It's not true.

Some women do get freaked out, some will brush you off, some will give you their number and ignore your calls and some will be dodgy slvts who you will regret approaching in the first place.

But what struck me about your post is that I came to these boards feeling exactly the same, but it wasn't until I started being a realist that I started making progress. People will think you are being a defeatist, but that's better than deluding yourself in my opinion, because being realistic with yourself means you can accept your strengths and weaknesses and identify the areas you need to improve, and that's the first step in solving your problems.

A lot of guys on this board have found salvation in fitness and bodybuilding, others find it helps to increase their social circles and make an effort to talk to more people. I think you need to ask yourself why you feel unworthy of this (or any) woman, and then make yourself worthy.
 

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If she had given the number to me happily, I would have called her....but it was to get rid of me?!
Anyway, she was really freaked out that she didn't even have the time to think of a fake number!
Well if you haven't called her, how do you know the number isn't fake? It doesn't make sense. Did you call her and she answered and you hung up? Anyway not much can be added to what Jariel said, other than that girls say all kinds of stupid sh!t, and to a degree you have to ignore it or at least not take it too personal. That's why you look at what girls actually do more than what they say, especially initially like during a cold approach. So looking at what she did, she gave you her number. So don't dwell on what she's said. Just call her and see what she does after talking to her on the phone.
 

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From KetoStix:
Well if you haven't called her, how do you know the number isn't fake?
Actually, I already have the number before I called her. I got the number from my friend's friend who know her.
However, I don't wanna be like a sick desperado and call her without asking her for her number.
So, it's like pretending I didn't have the number yet when I asked her for it.
And yes, the number she gave me is the same as the number I already got. Confirmed it with other sources.

Anyway not much can be added to what Jariel said, other than that girls say all kinds of stupid sh!t, and to a degree you have to ignore it or at least not take it too personal.
Is it really true? Like girls often say crap and what they don't mean? But in my opinion, they're not retarded, but why is this so?

Thanks Keto and Jarel! :)
Nikar.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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