You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Never talk to her @ work she just started and is on a different client then I am, I'm pretty sure I will run into her again (I already seen her in the break room)and when I do not a single fucc will be giving that day (nor ever)Borknagar said:Damn dude you were right, that's ****ed up. Did you get along with her at work? If so she could have at least been chill
Seriously this is beyond any tolerable limit, sometime my mouth remain open when I read posts from the american users of this board.Solomon said:Went on a double date last night it was blind, girl shows up an hour late come to find out it was a co-worker of mine. The bytch then has the audacity to go pick up another guy, needless to say I left soon there after
my buddy who set this up wasn't happy with his girl and her for obvious reasons.
What has the world come to when women are now walking out on dates to grab their orbiters/FB to save them?
and those same hors (their not women) have the audacity to wonder why their single, when they pull stunts like that
****em!
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
Exactly.Solomon said:Went on a double date last night it was blind, girl shows up an hour late come to find out it was a co-worker of mine. The bytch then has the audacity to go pick up another guy, needless to say I left soon there after
my buddy who set this up wasn't happy with his girl and her for obvious reasons.
What has the world come to when women are now walking out on dates to grab their orbiters/FB to save them?
and those same hors (their not women) have the audacity to wonder why their single, when they pull stunts like that
****em!
It all depends on the lifestyle of the girl and venue you would see her in. If you're going for girls in clubs and bars.. Yeah probably 8 or 9 out of 10 are wh0res just looking for someone to fvck for a week. If you're down to fvck random chicks, that's cool.f283000 said:I used to have this mentality back when I was a nice guy. I was the type that wouldn't even curse around women because I thought I would be corrupting them. It took me a long time to realize women are already corrupted by the time they are in high school. It took me a long time to realize they are not worth saving because they don't want to be saved, they want to be banged and have fun. The only woman i'll be protecting would be a future wife (or wives)
Alex does have a good point when he says ALL GIRLS ARE NOT COMPLETE *****S.
just most of the...8 out of 10 maybe??
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
The bolded part is probably the mind frame that can makes the difference in your live and everybody should really think about adopting it.Mike32ct said:Over 95% of the time, you will never know WHY she rejected you anyway. It is probably is true that most of it is due to lack of attraction. But why she isn't attracted could be due to many, many things. It could be your height, age, race, build, your face, your skin, your hair, your job, your personality, your vibe/aura, your social status, your clothes, your friends, your car, etc.
You will drive yourself absolutely crazy trying to figure out WHY she rejected you. Even if you confronted her about it, it's VERY doubtful that she'd give you an honest answer.
I used to replay entire dates in my head and even discuss it with male friends and even (gasp) female friends. I had to know WHY these chicks walked out on me, left with another guy, or just never could be reached again. After about six years of that sh*t, did I EVER reach an asnwer? No, not at all. I was just as confused as when I started. I stopped trying to figure it out.
These days, I often laugh about how quickly I can delete THEIR number once they flake. This is why I did the thread about the "I don't give a F what women think" frame to get some input. It's essential for the game today.
As always, do what you reasonably can to improve yourself, and F what these flakey broads think or do. Trying to figure out WHY she rejected you is mental masturbation and terrible waste of time. You could everything exactly the same and b*ng the next girl you go out with.
Strelok said:The bolded part is probably the mind frame that can makes the difference in your live and everybody should really think about adopting it.
For the rest, Mike what you say makes sense but the problem here is not being less than what it needs to get that girl, the point is that the once known shared concept of respect of others is going down the toilet with young women leading the crow.
Would you attend a double date and leave so openly with not even creating a fake reason to leave? would you hurt to heavily an other human in his self confidence and even reputation for guilts that are not his?
The average girl is a pro ball buster when it comes of human rights,women rights, animal rights and environment rights but when it comes of dont being a cvnt to an average men all those things disappear, this is the point.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
I went on a date a few months ago where the girl didn't turn up on time. I waited around ten minutes. I saw an old work mate passing through town, so we went for drinks and I ended up getting smashed and when I went home to sleep it off and when I woke up the next day I had a text saying "Thanks for standing me up". I couldn't care less about her moaning, she was late.Yo'Mama said:Mike,
Exactly - it's just about behaving decently.
The being on time thing really bugs me too. So many dates I've been on recently (well not that recently I kind of stopped going on dates), the girl has been up to an hour late. It's unbelievable. You could say it's a sign of low interest on her part. Well fine, but in that case she just shouldn't agree to go on the date! Keeping someone waiting for an hour is bull****.
My new rule is I'll wait 15 minutes and then I'm leaving.
I'm like you, I am always early. If I am due to meet someone at 12:30pm then I'll arrive about 12:20pm. I am like that with everything, being punctual is essential in life. I cannot stand people who are late. I am also impatient, so I am only prepared a maximum of 15-20 minutes for someone to turn up before I'll walk off and go window shopping or I'll grab a coffee and people watch.Yo'Mama said:Yeah really bored.
I agree, it's stupid waiting for an hour. That was a bit much but I would say generally when I've been on dates girls have been late from 10 mins upwards, with an hour being the worst.
Unbelievably many times they haven't even been that apologetic. I'm always on time. I can't not be on time. I know that's seen as 'AFC' here and maybe it is but it's just the way I am. Not just with girls but with anything. I wouldn't keep a friend waiting more than a few minutes. I normally arrive early just so I'm not late.
But, yeah it makes me sick that these girls can act like this. One time a girl was 45 mins late. I didn't say anything when she turned up. But then later in the evening I went to the bathroom and was sending a text on the way back. She got really angry that I was texting, so I said to her 'Yeah but come on you were 45 mins late!'. Know what she said, 'That's ok. I'm a GIRL'. Lol, what can you do?
@Buck--the entitlement with american women is beyond horrid, its darn awful. It's very bad, I see 5's @ my work who think their 11's and their suckers who enable them!btownbuck2012 said:Exactly.
I had a similar experience my freshman year of college. My friend and I had met two girls on campus over the weekend and followed up by inviting them to come play some pool with us at the student union.
Anyways we meet up with them and are walking towards the union when all of the sudden they see some guy they know sitting on a bench. They're like "MIKE!", or whatever the fvck his name was and proceeded to talk to him for 5-10 minutes, with their backs totally turned towards my friend and i like we weren't even there, until i finally had to move in awkwardly close as if to say OK LET'S GO NOW.
The lack of respect is un-motherfvcking-believable if you ask me. For the longest time I thought it was some flaw with me BUT I’ve come to realize it's not. I'm a good looking dude, i workout, eat right, and am above average with my social skills.
I'm not sure where this stuck up, snobby, entitlement bullsh!t started but I’m damn near sick of it.
No one is blaming all women for life's problem BB I posted one story of one slore not all women just one. It's easy to talk tough about "protocol" online and shyt but when that shyt happens to you in the field would you be cool with it? I think not, let me just state for the record that as she walked out not a single fucc was given, I remained calm and indifferent. I value myself these days to much to get upset over a slore because each day my self respect is growing!backbreaker said:here is my issue though
there is not one woman i know, rather it's a friend of mine, the chick at the gym, one of my wife's friends, whatever.. that if somehow i went on a blind date with hem,k they would up and leave. they might not necessarily want to screw me (i don't know i don't ask) but i'm not repulsive to the point they just up and leave. i can pretty much state this for a fact. i am enjoyable enough to be around for the very least them to wait the date off.
Blah, blah blah, thanks for qualifying yourself BB yeah we all know how great you look! :rockon:
I';m sorry,, if a woman, up and leaves in the middle of a date... while it's not the kosher thing to do, you have to ask yourself what it is about me, that made her want to get up and leave in the first place.
It could be cause she wasn't attracted(meh I am fatter now then i was when i signed up on this website 3 years ago by 35 pounds) probably or it could be cause I didn't whip out my credit card when she was looking around asking what we were "drinking" and looked at me like I was gonna "sponsor" her, But I think it may be both
even better, if this is a reasonable attractive coworker, why has this woman not shown any interest in the least bit up to now? she's obviously single so you can't go that route. so a single woman that is reasonable attractive, tat sees you every day, hasn't at the very least, inquired on your availability, hasn't talked to you, hasn't flirted with you, nada, and you get pissy because she gets up and leaves on a date.
*yawn* so if a chick leaves on a date its justified? are you serious? first of the chick lied about where she worked, stating she is "in-between" jobs. Of course she is new in my company, and its obvious she is not proud being at the entry level, why would she lie about were she works? that's a major red flag, and lets not forget this bytch did not ask me one question about me, Not a single one in the 5 minutes or so she was there(mostly talking on her cell trying to get another dude to come through, THEN GOING OUT OF HER WAY TO PICK HIM UP, WHAT A CLASS ACT!) not one frigging question about what I do for work, I don't even think she knows my name!
maybe, you just suck. and i don't mean that in a harsh trying to bust your balls way. But i refuse to sit here and blame women for all of life's problems. sometimes women just don't find you attractive. who the fvck cares what date protocol she follows it's not like the difference between you getting laid or not was her staying on the date. she obviously wasn't feelin it.
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.