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#41 said:
Tell me again how that isn't settling?

I thought the whole point of all this PUA/DJ stuff was to stop thinking about valuation in a 1-1 ratio (e.g.: I'm a 5, the best I can aspire to is a hb5 woman). Maybe I'm mistaken in that.

And the line about an hb6 being a perfect companion? Wouldn't it naturally be a pre-requisite for being a "perfect companion" that the woman be someone you are attracted to? It's somewhat of a condescending attitude -- 6s should be happy to score 6s, leave the 8s and 9s for the better looking guys.

I like your stuff, J -- have always enjoyed it when I was lurking. There were some good points here (especially about wishing your life away over money, etc.), but I disagree with a good bit of what you said.
That's because you're hung up on "numbers" and "judgement".

I've met many a 7 or 8 that I would rather spend the rest of my life with than some of the 9s I've messed with. The numbers don't mean d!ck...there are really only two numbers. 1 and 0. You enjoy spending time with her or you aren't. Has nothing to do with "settling".

In reality, the "9" is no "better" than the "6". These are just words. The 9 might be better-looking in your opinion, but she's human. This is why 9s are usually mental-cases or get indignant when you put them on pedestals. You're ranking her based on some arbitrary system in a way she doesn't deserve, and she knows it.
 

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azanon said:
She's a 31 year old GS-13 (high paying fed job)
High-paying?? Maybe in yesterday's world. :whistle:

Once you c**, you'll have that mindless person and very expensive liability on the other side of the bed.
This is the truth. Having a girl you wouldn't mind falling asleep next to when sex is over goes a LONG way.

This is why you never let a ONS into your bedroom. Either go to her place or use the couch. ;)
 

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STR8UP said:
I spent a year and a half playing party host. Mr. High Roller. And you know what? Even though I have scaled down I STILL have too much. I would be happy with a basic car and a clean, safe place to live.
I could afford a much better car, iPhone, super jumbo plasma TV, etc. But I've made a point of living under my means. That allows me to focus on the real important things of life.

Now, when it comes to the thorny question, what would make you happy, I'd say, having a nice wife and a couple of kids. At this stage in my life, I feel like going to the park on Saturday morning to play ball with my little kid. Of course, parenthood and marriages are full of pitfalls, but I think it's still worth it.

Living like Hugh Heffner doesn't appeal to me anymore.

-AS
 

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squirrels said:
High-paying?? Maybe in yesterday's world. :whistle:

What constitues "high Pay" is relative. That being said:

Let me rephrase; higher paying than most of you. (GS-13 is about 1.5 times per capital household income in the US). For real numbers, the average GS-13 makes $40.95/hour (GS-13 step 5). This is to make no mention of the other federal benefits. And lets not forget, she's beating national averages gender aside. If you put her up against only women, it would be even more dramatic.
 

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squirrels said:
This is the truth. Having a girl you wouldn't mind falling asleep next to when sex is over goes a LONG way.

This is why you never let a ONS into your bedroom. Either go to her place or use the couch. ;)
Even I'll admit ONS is a different set of criteria. In that case, it's mostly looks (though even still, it is more enjoyable to be able to carry on an intelligent conversation). Just be careful and don't fall in love or get attached to a dumb, hot ONS unless you're extremely rich and can afford the good-lookin' liability that will do her best to drain your bank account.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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azanon said:
What constitues "high Pay" is relative. That being said:
Well I wouldn't quit and take that job but I'd be pretty thrilled to have a GF/wife that had that sort of income.
 

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Physical attraction is an absolute MUST. I can't stress that enough.

My two best relationships were with the two women who turned me on the most. One latina, the other asian. I love exotic women. Never had a white girl turn me on like that. I will probably HAVE to marry an exotic woman to satiate my desires. I can't help it....that's just how I'm wired.

So you can't just say that someone should "settle" for a 6.

I agree that too many guys have unrealistic expectations. Sounds kind of like a lot of women today, no?

The thing that pisses me off is guys who look at a chick you are dating and express their opinion that she isn't attractive enough for you. Actually, chicks do it too. Most of the time I don't get that, bit it's happened once in the past. It's like you have to live up to OTHER people's standards as well as your own. And you can say "Other people's opinions don't matter" all you want, but at the end of the day it DOES have an effect.
 

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Joe! You ROCK:rockon: :rockon: :rockon: Great post!

Reminds me of that line from the movie Auntie Mame

"Life is a banquet, and most poor bastards are starving to death."
 

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squirrels said:
That's because you're hung up on "numbers" and "judgement".

I've met many a 7 or 8 that I would rather spend the rest of my life with than some of the 9s I've messed with. The numbers don't mean d!ck...there are really only two numbers. 1 and 0. You enjoy spending time with her or you aren't. Has nothing to do with "settling".
Everything is numbers, and everything is judgment. We spend our lives, even if it is subconscious, ranking and prioritizing things in our lives. Women are no different.

As for your 0-1 point -- I suspect you'd be hard pressed to find a guy that has never passed on a "1" girl because he thought he could find a better "1." If that was all it took for a good relationship, enjoying spending time with people, there'd be a lot less lonely fat girls.

In reality, the "9" is no "better" than the "6". These are just words. The 9 might be better-looking in your opinion, but she's human. This is why 9s are usually mental-cases or get indignant when you put them on pedestals. You're ranking her based on some arbitrary system in a way she doesn't deserve, and she knows it.
Every girl is human. There are just as many personality defective 5s are there are personality-defective 9s.

Of course the 9 is better looking -- thats why she's a 9 and the other girl is a 6. These are attractiveness rankings we're talking about here. Personality can make up some of the difference, but in the end, a 6 with a good personality is still a 6. The lower down you go, the more likely you'll fall into the thinking pattern inherent to all human beings -- odds are the grass is greener somewhere else.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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My 2c

I think that there is a lot of points that are brought up in this thread that can pretty much be related to anything in life... Look at the way Earth is run.. A person will live their life to their best ability.. and the only way a person can do this, is to take what he knows, and apply it to life to the best of his ability.

How do you think you get a woman that will never dare show her body to anyone but her husband... and then you get a woman that will pose naked or the world to see...

We all take our own experiences, and all the information that is available to us, and we apply it to our lives to what we think is the best way to do so.

Unfortunately these days there are and will probably always be things that distract us from "reality".. You switch on the TV, the radio, anything public really.. and you're taken into a world where people feel more comfortable, a place far far away from "reality". Its something that people are brought up with, its all people generally know, and so the vicious cycle continues.

back onto the topic of women... I think its a sad reality that people have come to judge others way to much based on their looks etc (the much less important and meaningful things) - and you surprised that divorce rate is so high these days?

I would do anything for this to change... Too many people marrying each other for the wrong reasons these days... be it sex/physical attraction, money, fame, power, etc... And the worst thing about all of this is that this is how the world is.. If you have money then you automatically become attractive and respectable.. its a sad reality when a man will choose to marry a hot woman with little other qualities over a much less attractive woman with every other quality you would want in a woman. But this happens every day... and guess what happens when the looks fade away? You're left with the other qualities that the hot woman doesn’t have. The qualities that matter are neglected.

But look at life... the most important and meaningful things have also lost their meaning to an extent... family use to be so important to people, now there are so many other more "entertaining" things to do and people are quick to give into temptation.

Another thing that is a BIG factor is social pressure. When you are walking around with your girlfriend/wife you naturally want to be proud of her, and even though you might be in the RIGHT state of mind and have the RIGHT perception about things so you KNOW you got one in a million golden wife... But that doesn’t mean everyone (public) also has the same perception as you do.. So while you love your wife for what and who she is (let’s say for arguments sake that she is not too attractive) this does not mean that everyone else is going to think "wow she is one in a million", they will rather be thinking "yuck" or something along those lines (point is that they won’t have anything good to say, but most probably a negative opinion of her) ... And this is where that saying "If you can’t beat`em, join`em" comes into play... People don’t think that if JUST THEM as an INDIVIDUAL can make the world change, so instead of listening to their inner voice they rather do what the world tells them is right, and what does the world say?? The world says the hotter the better, the more money the better... all shallow and unrealistic things... but while it’s unrealistic... it has become reality... it’s almost like we as a race have brainwashed ourselves and lead ourselves down the wrong path.. and to fix this will take a lot of work and time.
I think it will take someone with an incredibly strong personality and belief to ignore what has become the norm way of looking at things/women and not let anything stray him from his perception.. And everywhere you look there is something telling you otherwise from what you believe in, its an uphill battle... not impossible to win, but I personally don’t think the average person is mentally strong enough to win the battle. And I guess the proof is in the pudding. ;)
 

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I don't have time to read the whole thread I'll chip in concerning what I've read.

IMO this is a load of BS. Be happy simply because I have my health? :rolleyes: If I didn't have my health I would be dead. The reason people are unhappy is because they don't have what they want. Will somebody become happy if they get a car, if not having a car is the reason they are unhappy? Yes. I am unhappy because I don't have my own place and I don't have a girl. To me the girl is the most important thing. It is something that I have never had yet desire so much. I'm not 100% sure that I will be happy once I get a girl and my own place but I'll definitely be a lot happier than I am now without those things.
 

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I am a firm believer that complacency is the biggest road stop to personal success. I would not have taken steps to improve my mental and physical capabilities should i have been content where I was. Looking back, it was helpful seeing the need for change, and embracing it by taking decisive , disciplined action. I was skinny and unhappy with that so I went to the gym . Likewise, I was unhappy with my lack of women and decided to improve that as well.

People believe that they are fulfilling some sort of self destiny by continuing to fail with women. They believe the world is messed up and refuse to change themselves because they are ' happy with who they are' Being complacent at a juncture like this means a life bereft of women for the rest of ones days.
 

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Maxtro said:
I'm not 100% sure that I will be happy once I get a girl and my own place but I'll definitely be a lot happier than I am now without those things.

ROFL.

yes, women always make a mans life better :whistle:
 

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joekerr31 said:
ROFL.

yes, women always make a mans life better :whistle:
If having a women did not make a mans life better than why do men have girlfriends and wives? :rolleyes:

There are many, many reasons why having a woman will make a mans life better. The number one reason? Sex. Try not having sex for a year. BTW I didn't say always.
 

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Maxtro said:
If having a women did not make a mans life better than why do men have girlfriends and wives? :rolleyes:.
Some men are unfortunately attached to, what we call wives/girlfriends, but they would call the daughter of satan.

Women can add to our lives, but it is up to us, as individual men, to make our own lives complete.

Do not rely on women to complete you. A woman can make your life better...yes, but also, can make your life completely miserable if you allow it.
 

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Mr.Positive said:
Women can add to our lives, but it is up to us, as individual men, to make our own lives complete.
A woman either enhances your life, or detracts from it, not much in between.

And you gotta be happy with YOURSELF before ANYONE can enhance your life.
 

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Just wanted to echo the general sentiment... I turned a major corner a few years ago when it dawned on me that the pursuit of women is a waste of time. I now concentrate on bettering myself; achieving my goals AND appreciating the things I already have. I am also actually buying into all the "self-actualization" stuff I thought was a bunch of crap during my college years. :) Ironically, as the more experienced DJs already have probably learned, women mostly come to me now that I am content in myself (NOT saying I am going to rest on my laurels). The "gaming" has never been easier; I get to choose on my terms those with whom I want to spend time. Great thread...
 

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joekerr31 said:
i wanted to take a moment to talk about reality versus fantasy, as i believe this is a SERIOUS issue for a lot of men.

most men have no concept of reality, and as such live very unhappy and unfufilling lives.

if you are paying the rent and are physically healthy, then you have everything you need to be happy. if you have these things and aren't happy, its becuase you aren't living in reality.

you see, reality is a harsh mother f*cker. people get hit by cars, people get cancer, people's children get stolen, molested and killed by sick f*cks. etc.

reality is filled with a lot of horrendous sh*t.

now, luckily though most of us don't experience these things. but because we don't, we are free to believe in all kinds of disney bullsh*t. we are free to sit there and wish away our lives - hoping for that playboy model, or making a million dollars, or whatever. and because we don't have these things we think we have 'failed' in life.

and that thought process, of seeing yourself as a failure, is the biggest obstacle to getting women and improving your life that there is.

you see, the men who are truly successful in life are the ones who are living in reality. they don't spend their lives worrying about what they do and don't have. they don't judge themselves by how much money they are making or how many women they have bed.

they are men who appreciate what they have. they don't sit there complaining about what they dont have. they realize that as long as they have their health then they are LUCKY.

and because they have this attitude of appreciation for the smallest things in life, they have a strength. they are able to chase after their dreams, after women, etc. and not fear failure. because they don't see their life as horrible if their business fails, or a woman rejects them, etc.

you cannot build a life you love if you don't love your life to start with!

you see, the reality is that you were never meant to be a millionaire. nature designed you to be a simple creature - eat, sleep, f*ck. thats all you need. and heck, nature was even kinder, the only things you have to worry about are eating and sleeping. if you can't get a chic you can still spank the monkey.

you see, in reality your life is wonderful even at its most basic level.

its only because so many of us reject reality. we reject the simplicity of life. we say 'NO! THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. I WANT IT ALL. I WANT WHAT EVERYONE ELSE WANTS. I WANT WHAT I SEE ON TV EVERY DAY. I DESERVE IT!" that we end up hating our lives and ourselves.

we also end up makign STUPID decisions and taking ridiculous risks trying to attain these things.

we let women treat us like sh*t because the idea of not having a woman horrifies us because it plays into our own sense of failure.

there are guys who reject all kinds of great women because they are hb6's, because they want an hb 9 (even though they themselves are only male versions of a 6). and they think themselves failures because they can't land hb9s. here life presents them with a woman who would be perfect for them as a companion and yet they reject her - because mass media has led them to believe that an hb6 isn't worth anything.

now, im not saying that reality means you have to settle for less. but if you are a 6, you shouldn't feel bad about hooking up with an hb6.

reality is filled with a TON of horrendous sh*t. people die in car crashes. people get cancer. people suffer from depression. people get divorced. people lose their jobs. etc.

as long as you have your health you have everything you need to be HAPPY.

you are wasting your life if you live in the world of FANTASY and as a result are miserable or discontent. you are wasting your life if you are focused on what you don't have, instead of what you do have.

and in the world of fantasy you will make horrible choices, because you are chasing after happiness. but happiness is does not come from external things. and the more you try to find it in the external things, the more you will be depressed that you can't seem to find it.

but if you get with reality and realize that you have A LOT to be happy about as long as you have your health, then it becomes very easy to build on that happiness.

it becomes easy to deal with women. a woman who increases your happiness is good, a woman who detracts from it is bad. but you first have to be happy to make that judgement! if you aren't happy then how would you know whether a woman detracts from your happiness.

i know this is a bit of a minimalist view on life, BUT, a minimalist view is good. its at the core of all the advanced ideologies (christianty, buddhism, hinduism, etc.). adn the reason is that minimalism reminds you that happiness comes from within. and it also makes you value and appreciate everything that comes in to your life!

if you love your life with just the bare bones - ie. your health - you will be able to truly appreciate all the extras that come into your life (women, jobs, money, etc.)

but if you don't love your life with just the bare bones - ie. just you and your health - then you will never appreciate the things that come in to your life. you will always worry that if you lose them your life will return to being sh*t.

this is the root of many AFCs - they hate themselves and their life and they FEAR rejection and they FEAR losing their woman.

a man who does not love his life in its most basic form is destined to live a life of FEAR. fear of losing his job, fear of dying, fear of divorce, fear or being screwed over by others, etc.

we have been brainwashed to reject minimalism - to reject reality. we have been brainwashed to embrace excess and to believe that a man is only worth what he possessses. that without success in his career, with women, etc. he is nothing.

but its this type of thinking that creates a self fulfilling prophecy. its this type of thinking that makes you a slave to a job you hate, which makes you afraid to take career risks, which amkes you afraid of CHANGE, and which makes you a slave to women.

anyway, just thought i'd toss these thoughts out there for consumption. :)
Very nice post Jokker, i liked this alot.

Not going to add anything here at all, the message is clear, its nice to see others have learned to 'accept and grow' themselves and not 'hate and stagnate' themselves due to corruption around them.
 
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JoeKerr, your post is lost on 98% of the guys on this forum!! It's all about the money and hos - everyone knows this!!!! :rolleyes:
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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