"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Fear of having to carry a guy

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There's this woman I know in real life that's a US postal worker, basically a mail sorter that makes pretty good money for such a routine job. I noticed she had a friend on POF, she gave me fair warning that or that position makes a pretty good chunk o change, like 70K a year if you throw in the overtime and double time if you decide to work holidays. I gathered it pays ove 20/hr. That women who make more than the man in question, have this lingering fear of having to carry him if he makes less.

I was like, "That all depends on he manages his own money personally, right?" But apparently, it's more of a snap judgement on the woman's part or some trigger because she had to deal with a dead beat boyfriend that was unemployed, and even bought him a car.

And that's just sorting friggin' mail? I know engineers that make around the 70K mark. Well, in case these engineers get laid off, there's always the US postal service, right? lol

I wonder if it's considered a lot depending on the state you live (or city).

But, I'm not sure if a woman should just make such snap judgments about a guy who SHE thinks would not be able to support himself depending on his salary, right?

My female friend does pretty well for herself. Has her own home, owns multiple pets, but not really all that high maint.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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You can talk all the bullshiz you want. When it comes down to it, a woman wants a man who makes at least as much or more than she does.

The exception is if he's alpha as fvck. Then she will do things for him because she sees him as high value and he turns her on like an animal.

-Augustus-
 

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She may oversee income at the beginning but at some point it will surface as resentment or a permission to treat you like garbage for making less.
 
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70k a year is a fortune in the suburbs, or just above the poverty level in some big city's depending on lifestyle and where you live now a days. I'm sure it happens all the time but I don't know any LTR'S over 7 years where the woman makes the Lyon share of the money.
 

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70k a year is a fortune in the suburbs, or just above the poverty level in some big city's depending on lifestyle and where you live now a days. I'm sure it happens all the time but I don't know any LTR'S over 7 years where the woman makes the Lyon share of the money.
Well, at least they lasted 7 years, right? lol
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I was wondering, if you were able to do well with only 40K, or maybe even 30 K, per year as a bachelor, living comfortably with some decent savings per month, what would it matter?

Isn't THAT the part that really matters. Being a bachelor for years, although you won't be making the lyons share, what matters is what you saved in the process.
 

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As owen cook said it..

You're not going to win the money game.

Don't even try to compete with that.

Their will always be a guy willing to shell out heaps of cash to fvck some girl.

Hot girls will always have the option of hanging out with rich dudes.

Being a millionaire in LA, your still a broke joke. Compared to everyone else using their money as leverage to game.

Worry about your own life, and your own process or well being.

Making alot of money is a joke, unless it's your passion. Not because you want society to except you fvck that. Working your ass off for 20 years for wealth Noone really cares about just to be able to get hotter girls and approval would suck.

Meanwhile little poor dirt bags like myself do great and I'm only getting better everyday.

When I make alot of money one day it will only be for myself.. meaning when I get the blessing of Inspiration in whatever business I end up in, I will be working out of love and passion, rather then waking up every morning like fvck my miserable life and grind out the years being miserable.

Tldr..

- Fvck money..
- Don't compete in that game.
- Focus on your own systems..
- Use your personality for gaining and building relationships only because the bar is set so low in that world it's basicley open season.

- it doesn't matter where your at in life.. poor, wealthy.. as long as you are on your path and engaged in the process of improvement and growth everyday that's what's attractive to woman.

Sure theirs stagnating poor ch0des sitting around in there trailer watching tv eattin microwave dinners every day.

Well theirs also rich millionaire chodes fvcking miserable sitting around in there castle wondering wtf to do with there life.
Working a miserable job or business they cant quit because they're whoLe life is wrapped up in it. No hot chick is going to fix that long term.

- there's a book about a billionaire acting poor meeting girls just so he'd find true love or some chit..
 

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As owen cook said it..

You're not going to win the money game.

Don't even try to compete with that.

Their will always be a guy willing to shell out heaps of cash to fvck some girl.

Hot girls will always have the option of hanging out with rich dudes.

Being a millionaire in LA, your still a broke joke. Compared to everyone else using their money as leverage to game.

Worry about your own life, and your own process or well being.

Making alot of money is a joke, unless it's your passion. Not because you want society to except you fvck that. Working your ass off for 20 years for wealth Noone really cares about just to be able to get hotter girls and approval would suck.

Meanwhile little poor dirt bags like myself do great and I'm only getting better everyday.

When I make alot of money one day it will only be for myself.. meaning when I get the blessing of Inspiration in whatever business I end up in, I will be working out of love and passion, rather then waking up every morning like fvck my miserable life and grind out the years being miserable.

Tldr..

- Fvck money..
- Don't compete in that game.
- Focus on your own systems..
- Use your personality for gaining and building relationships only because the bar is set so low in that world it's basicley open season.

- it doesn't matter where your at in life.. poor, wealthy.. as long as you are on your path and engaged in the process of improvement and growth everyday that's what's attractive to woman.

Sure theirs stagnating poor ch0des sitting around in there trailer watching tv eattin microwave dinners every day.

Well theirs also rich millionaire chodes fvcking miserable sitting around in there castle wondering wtf to do with there life.
Working a miserable job or business they cant quit because they're whoLe life is wrapped up in it. No hot chick is going to fix that long term.

- there's a book about a billionaire acting poor meeting girls just so he'd find true love or some chit..
Totally agree. If she cares about you making less money even though you don't ask her for sh*t she's trash.

You mean to tell me if I dedicate my life to
social work and make 50k a year and you make 70k a year sorting mail you can ever talk down to me?

She deserves the loser she is gonna end up with.
 

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Totally agree. If she cares about you making less money even though you don't ask her for sh*t she's trash.

You mean to tell me if I dedicate my life to
social work and make 50k a year and you make 70k a year sorting mail you can ever talk down to me?

She deserves the loser she is gonna end up with.
It's really the FEAR of them having to carry you, if you make less because of bad experiences with previous boyfriends that made less than them. I guess it's a "trigger' as they call it these days.
 

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It's really the FEAR of them having to carry you, if you make less because of bad experiences with previous boyfriends that made less than them. I guess it's a "trigger' as they call it these days.
If she lets fear or past experience dictate her new situation with you her mind operates on a low frequency.
Next her.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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70K is a huge joke in the Bay Area. It's a poverty wage.

I guess I have a different perspective than most guys because the average house price here is $900,000 where in most places you can buy a mansion for $300,000.

To answer your question, yes salaries are relative.
 

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I've known many women who support deadbeat husbands. They complain about them a lot, but most have stayed married. Of course we're not talking about 22 year old HB9s here either. But I highly doubt all these guys are "alphas".

Who knows why they do it? They have their own reasons I guess. Anywhere from lack of options to poor self esteem to victim mentality.
 

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Fear of having to carry a guy

I expect to be carried. I'm worth it. There are a lot more lonely women with good jobs than there are men with game.
 
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