"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Favorite Seattle Grunge band

Favorite Seattle Grunge band?

  • Alice in Chains

    Votes: 6 50.0%
  • Nirvana

    Votes: 5 41.7%
  • Pearl Jam

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sound Garden

    Votes: 1 8.3%

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Of the Original "Big Four" Grunge bands that came out of Seattle, who was your favorite and why?

I know there were more grunge bands from Seattle besides these four, but these were the major players.

I think the best out of this group was "Alice in Chains" because all of their songs were unique and different and so was Layne Stayley's voice. Sound Garden was good too, and they would be my second favorite. Pearl Jam had some good hits (Evenflow and Jeremy) were good songs, but that is about it. Eddie Vedder pissed me off. While one can give credit for Nirvana, to be the first one these four to make it big with "Smells like Teen Spirit" ; I thought most of their songs sounded the same and they were overrated.

Would love to hear some opinions.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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I've heard that you get a lot of rain in Seattle!
 

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Where's the option for Stone Temple Pilots? BEST...BAND...EVER! :rolleyes:
 

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Killdozer. Though they aren't from Seattle.

My friends band toured with L7, lots of sexual inter-band liaisons there.

But yeah, Killdozer rule all.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Espi said:
Stone Temple Impersonators?

Nirvana's the best, IMO. Soundgarden, IMO, is a top-10-most-overrated band; they had a few good hits and a LOT of albums.

AIC is great.

PJ I've slowly come to admire.

Of those 4 bands, 2 lead singers are dead from heroin; anyone who dies young earns my respect, for Kurt Cobain and Layne Staley chose intensity over longetivity.

Andrew Wood would have likely been a legendary singer if he, too, hadn't died from heroin. I've read that he OD'd the same day that Mother Love Bone signed its record deal.
While Kurt Cobain did use heroin, he died from a bullet wound to the head. Most agree it was self-inflicted, but who know if that slob Courtney Love had anything to do with it.
 

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After reading "The Game" by Neil Strauss, I developed a whole different opinion about Courtney. Most people see all the 5hit that the media drums up, but after reading Neil's experience with her, she behaves like a little girl, but has a good heart and good intentions. I really don't think she killed him.

Oh yeah, and Mudhoney kicks ass.
 

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mahon83050 said:
While Kurt Cobain did use heroin, he died from a bullet wound to the head. Most agree it was self-inflicted, but who know if that slob Courtney Love had anything to do with it.
and here we face this question again, how does a guy shoot up heroin in both arms pick up a gun and shoot himself in the head?
most dudes can not even administer the second arm of herion much less pick up a gun and shoot himself in the head.
i dont know if courtney did it or not, i dont know who did it, but someone other than kurt cobain killed kurt cobain. someone he loved and trusted enough to be around while he was shooting up heroin. he wasnt in the alley doing it with homeless people, he was doing it in the privacy of his own home. whoever did it, planned to do it beforehand and waited until he was high and did it or snuck in behind him and did it.
the question has always been, who would get the most out of it, if he was murdered /committed suicide?
i have always felt so sad for francis bean who had to grow up believing her father was a great talented musician who happened to be a druggie and killed himself and then her mother is courtney love, who i saw so drugged out on multiple things on tv like pamela andersons roast and some real life bs.
one could only hope that she doesnt turn out too messed up and has enough music in her bloodstream to make her own music and make a damn good life for herself. i am sure her father hoped for that.
kurt on the other hand, could sing you are my sunshine, depressing enough to make us all cry.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Espi said:
Yes, those are valid points I thought about bringing up on my earlier thread; how can someone who has THAT much heroin in his system lift a gun and shoot himself in the head?

But Kurt was clearly suicidal. He had attempted suicide months earlier in Rome (complete with suicide note, allegedly); of course, a suicidal Cobain would have provided the perfect opportunity for murder.

I really think that Kurt killed himself, but we'll never really know. Courtney Love is deranged; she could have done it because she's also shrewed and self-centered enough. But there would be too much for her to lose. Not worth the risk.
exactly espi! however i do not believe he actually killed himself. the only thing that i can come up with is that he wanted to commit suicide and could not do it alone that he talked someone into helping him, but that is a stretch because who would help kill a friend?
i do not believe courtney lost anything in his death, but made more money because he was made into a legend , in which she collects all the money being the wife and mother of his child.
her own estranged father had a tv special where he declared she did it, and even though he was estranged, he seemed more normal than she seems.
however, we will never know.
i saw a book in the bookstore that looked like a notebook with all his lyrics and doodles inside. that book was expensive and i could only imagine how much that has made over the last decade. as neat as it was, and as much as i secretly wanted to purchase it, i couldn't. i feel like its all blood money, sorta.
 

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saw a book in the bookstore that looked like a notebook with all his lyrics and doodles inside.
I was disgusted when that book was released. Why doesn't someone package Aaliyah's high school notebooks and sell that too? Hey, someone could make some money if they publicly release Tupak Shakur's answering machine tape.

Is the rest of the album good as well? or is it just a one hit wonder?!
Besides "No Rain", It's crap.
 

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Desdinova said:
I was disgusted when that book was released. Why doesn't someone package Aaliyah's high school notebooks and sell that too? Hey, someone could make some money if they publicly release Tupak Shakur's answering machine tape.
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exactly! i did love kurt cobain and nirvana and secretly stood in the book store isle looking at it, because im nosy i guess. i wanted to see what he scribbled. i know that is why people go out and buy it. they are nosy too. they wanted to see the scribbles and doodles and whatever.
who doesnt have a notebook that they doodled their crap in over the years? however i would roll over in my grave if someone was reading all the crap i scribbled and doodled after my death. it was like a diary in a sort. we shouldnt be reading it.
everything is about money and what sells, and if someone could release tupaks answering machine tape, by golly they would in a heart beat.
but is he even dead? he releases new albums all the time. they include crap like "biggie killed me". which makes me question, where the heck are biggies new released albums? oh wait, hes really dead right?
oh good grief, look at me, derailing this thread.
i apologize, this is not a tupac / biggie are they dead thread.

back to topic....
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Anyone else listened to the bands that came after Seattle scene like Collective Soul or Bush?

Some of their songs weren't bad but they were mostly jumping on a trend and were considered sellouts.
 

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how about i get this back on track...
i will name one song by each of these bands that i hold the most dear to my heart:
aic: nutshell / man in box
nir:come as you are/ something in the way
pj:black /why go
sg:black hole sun /spoonman
 

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DJDamage said:
Anyone else listened to the bands that came after Seattle scene like Collective Soul or Bush?
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bush: come down/glycerin/machine head
cs:shine /she said
 

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The only song I've heard off Soup is Galaxy which is a great tune. Maybe I'll check out the rest of the album.

Anyone else listened to the bands that came after Seattle scene like Collective Soul or Bush?
Collective Soul wasn't too bad, but I've found their stuff to be somewhat repetitive after their first two albums. Also, Collective soul came out around the same time Nirvana did. Never been a Bush fan though.

Although I enjoy Nirvana, it seems that they destroyed rock music. Nirvana put an end to commercial heavy metal music with the Grunge scene, and rock music seems to have been lost in the woods for the longest time. What I've seen lately is more of a 70s-sound revival with bands like Jet, The Darkness, and Wolfmother, and I actually welcome it.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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