"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Fat/Ugly chicks seem to do way better than most guys here

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Danger said:
Get your social proof, get to the gym, and be a leader. The women will show up. Then you can select the one you want.
Not true. I've been extremely social for the past ten years. I've been going to the dream hardcore and have a strong diet. Fat girls still like me all the time and I still get rejected from in-shape girls. It's time for me to stop being a ***** and to be more persistent with girls, none of this ignore crap.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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They're also hoes. If the fat biatch wasn't giving it up, she'd be totally guyless. I know a fat "Christian" girl who has a great personality, but doesn't give it up, thus no boyfriend, AND no guys spamming her myspace/facebook either.
 

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Forty0ztoFreedom said:
I don't know if you can blame this board, but I agree that the "ignore her" type advice is horrible. I'm still trying to shake that . . Sometimes I catch myself subconsciously thinking "I'm gonna pretend to ignore her" like when a girl comes into the bar or something . .

Ugh. Awful. Nothing happens, and you end up feeling like a huge AFC. "Why didn't I just talk to her??" Would you ignore a friend coming in?

I think "ignore her" is worse than going up and telling her you have a huge crush on her. Seriously. Even though you'll probably not get anywhere, at least you'll feel like you manned up and took SOME action, and weren't just the guy pretending to text someone and looking cool.

I hearby decide that I hate all "ignore her" type of advice. Planned inaction is crap, and probably always transparent. Nobody just 'ignores' somebody like that. Maybe you chat for a bit and then run off to do something . . or start talking to someone else, cool. But that pre-planned exclusion of someone always makes me feel like the biggest toolbag.
The ignore tactic is ineffective because women have caught on to why you're doing it. Women aren't stupid. They know every trick of the trade, as they deal with men constantly. You're not going to win if you ignore them. Sometimes it will work, as I've had it happen, but most times, you're just f*cking yourself over.
 

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Guys, this is simply a case of supply and demand.

@ Whitepimp, I agree with the statement of how desperate men will take a sea creature over staying alone. It's because the men don't want to be the laughing stock of their social circle because they don't have a woman.

Fat and ugly women have boyfriends now because there are more men than women in this world. They have the power cuz they got p*ssy.

Fat and ugly guys have the power to date anyone they want if they got status or mad money.
 

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Yeah I have zero sympathy for ugly fat girls simply because of the amount of attention they get compared to even an above average guy.

I have a friend who's a typical American girl: 30 y.o, 5'4", ~200 pounds (with back boobs), hopping from one sh!tty job to another, having lost count after 60 c0cks (according to her) and b!tching about everything that doesn't go her way.

In the couple of months that I've known her, we've hung out a few times. I've seen good-looking, successful guys (surgeons and businessmen) asking her out to dinner, only to get turned down. I've seen a good-looking, buff personal trainer desperately hitting on her, texting and calling her for weeks trying to ask her out. I've seen photos of a couple of her exes, including the latest one who looks like a male model.

I don't get it. I don't think I can deprive little Jitterbug of poon enough that he will be desperate enough to salute her, and I'm nowhere near as good-looking or rich & successful as those guys.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Jitterbug said:
I have a friend who's a typical American girl: 30 y.o, 5'4", ~200 pounds (with back boobs)

What the heck are "back boobs"????:confused:
 

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lazikia said:
Yeah, but you're NEVER going to learn anything from just messaging a girl once and giving up. It's just going to keep on happening and happening. That's why you have to try to be more aggressive and message them more often than just once. A ***** beta male would just message a girl once and give up, you have to be more aggressive then that.

Trust me, man. My first year of college I had a roommate who always got girls and my last year of college I had a (completely unrelated) roommate who always got girls. I learned from them that you have to be assertive and aggressive.

You can be assertive and aggressive AND cut your loses to move onto better women. Not giving up on a woman lowers your status relative to hers. You are the prize, they should be chasing you.
 

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Its been proven time and time again that if you continue to chase the girl it will only make her not want you more. Most girls are attention *****s and if you give them attention they get bored. You become the weird stalker guy that they brag to their little friends about.. In retrospect, if you try to contact them 2-3 times than stop trying they start wondering if you are still interested or if you moved on to a different girl. Suddenly you become more attractive and thats why many times you will see the girl contacting that guy. If they dont contact you back than trust me, you never had a chance with that girl.


If you get a girls number and she is interested in you , she will pick up that phone even if she is with her friends or she is busy. If she is not interested she is gonna say , oh no not this guy again. IF you persist to call/text her she will start telling her friends about her and might even consider going to the police. If she does answer your every third text than she is just doing it for attention.
 

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Even though it is too depressing for most males to admit - There is a shortage of women and an over population of males ....

So many males have to lower their standards in order to F women and thats where fatties and uglies benefit.

Breakdown:

Average man (5 in looks) = 2 options
Average woman (5 in looks) = 20 options


So the average woman can be more picky than the average man.. and so desperation runs higher in males also.
 

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WaterTiger said:
What the heck are "back boobs"????:confused:
Some people get so fat that the fats on their back, which hang off the shoulder blades, form a pair of boobs.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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nismo-4 said:
Guys, this is simply a case of supply and demand.

@ Whitepimp, I agree with the statement of how desperate men will take a sea creature over staying alone. It's because the men don't want to be the laughing stock of their social circle because they don't have a woman.

Fat and ugly women have boyfriends now because there are more men than women in this world. They have the power cuz they got p*ssy.

Fat and ugly guys have the power to date anyone they want if they got status or mad money.

Dude you sound exactly like me..lol:eek: :eek: :eek:
 

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Jitterbug said:
Yeah I have zero sympathy for ugly fat girls simply because of the amount of attention they get compared to even an above average guy.

I have a friend who's a typical American girl: 30 y.o, 5'4", ~200 pounds (with back boobs), hopping from one sh!tty job to another, having lost count after 60 c0cks (according to her) and b!tching about everything that doesn't go her way.

In the couple of months that I've known her, we've hung out a few times. I've seen good-looking, successful guys (surgeons and businessmen) asking her out to dinner, only to get turned down. I've seen a good-looking, buff personal trainer desperately hitting on her, texting and calling her for weeks trying to ask her out. I've seen photos of a couple of her exes, including the latest one who looks like a male model.

I don't get it. I don't think I can deprive little Jitterbug of poon enough that he will be desperate enough to salute her, and I'm nowhere near as good-looking or rich & successful as those guys.
Seriously man its like the freaking twilight zone....I was raised to think that we men should feel bad for being shallow about a girls looks....but if anything men are way more forgiving of womens' flaws than vice versa.


Its not being shallow to expect your women to hold yourself to some level of reasonable attractiveness and attitude. If all men would stop chubby chasing and demand their women look at least presentable maybe the obesity epidemic in this country would end as we know it.
 

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I think NY is a special case...more single women than men. A walking city, so people are supposed to be at least in decent shape. More competition for the finance/business guys. The way it should be!
 

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Danger, I have two friends (both 22) that are currently in serious relationships with single moms...one of them has two kids!

For every guy here that learns to screen their women from all physical and emotional baggage, there seems to be 1000 guys that will gladly overlook the most glaring red flags just to have access to the p*ssy.
 

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Jitterbug said:
Yeah I have zero sympathy for ugly fat girls simply because of the amount of attention they get compared to even an above average guy.

I have a friend who's a typical American girl: 30 y.o, 5'4", ~200 pounds (with back boobs), hopping from one sh!tty job to another, having lost count after 60 c0cks (according to her) and b!tching about everything that doesn't go her way.

In the couple of months that I've known her, we've hung out a few times. I've seen good-looking, successful guys (surgeons and businessmen) asking her out to dinner, only to get turned down. I've seen a good-looking, buff personal trainer desperately hitting on her, texting and calling her for weeks trying to ask her out. I've seen photos of a couple of her exes, including the latest one who looks like a male model.

I don't get it. I don't think I can deprive little Jitterbug of poon enough that he will be desperate enough to salute her, and I'm nowhere near as good-looking or rich & successful as those guys.

Wow, this has to be some sort of deja vu, maybe we know the same girl, but probally not.


The girl I know is about 5'5, and 180 pounds with small back boobs and she's 21.

Her sex count = 10+ Recon =5

Fatties 1 - Recon 0

I've known this girl since I was in grade school, and college has really brought out the ugly side of her. I can't say im not benefitting though.

Quick Story (Pretty sad/ funny): I told her I wanted a pair of Jordan's for christmas last year, and she said she would get them. I only got her a redskins blanket. Anyway, she actually got me the jordans which were about $200.

Wanna know how she got it?

Her AFC boyfriend bought me a pair of sneakers. WTF? I couldn't beileve it, and when I asked her she said that he knew he was buying them for me. What have we come too when a man would spend $200 to buy another male a present?

I'm not one to judge looks, but her BF is easily better looking than me. If I had to judge, I'd say he was like an 7-8 and I'm around a 6. I'm more muscular though.


She also has about 5+ pairs of UGGS, because of all the males that are buying her presents.

How desperate can people be? I'd wack one off everyday instead of touching her.
 

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I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

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Recon said:
Wow, this has to be some sort of deja vu, maybe we know the same girl, but probally not.


The girl I know is about 5'5, and 180 pounds with small back boobs and she's 21.

Her sex count = 10+ Recon =5

Fatties 1 - Recon 0

I've known this girl since I was in grade school, and college has really brought out the ugly side of her. I can't say im not benefitting though.

Quick Story (Pretty sad/ funny): I told her I wanted a pair of Jordan's for christmas last year, and she said she would get them. I only got her a redskins blanket. Anyway, she actually got me the jordans which were about $200.

Wanna know how she got it?

Her AFC boyfriend bought me a pair of sneakers. WTF? I couldn't beileve it, and when I asked her she said that he knew he was buying them for me. What have we come too when a man would spend $200 to buy another male a present?

I'm not one to judge looks, but her BF is easily better looking than me. If I had to judge, I'd say he was like an 7-8 and I'm around a 6. I'm more muscular though.


She also has about 5+ pairs of UGGS, because of all the males that are buying her presents.

How desperate can people be? I'd wack one off everyday instead of touching her.
Wow...you gotta be kidding...what in the hell is this world coming to?
 

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When a man sleeps with a fat chick, they are both lowering their standards.

You think that guy wouldn't rather be with a model? He would.
You think that girl wouldn't rather be with someone who isn't so desperate he has to **** a walking landwhale? She would.

But the highest members of society reserve themselves for each other.

The rest are just bottomfeeders. AFCs are the male equivalent of fat chicks. When a girl sleeps with an AFC, it is exactly the same as a guy sleeping with a fatty. They take what they can get, but no self-respecting individual would ever take either of them.

Hot women are about as rare as real DJs. You think that's an accident?

These AFCs are getting LAID! While the people on this forum typically aren't. But why not? We could be, if we chose to. You or I or any guy on this forum could be drowning in as much fat chick ***** as we wanted to, but we don't.

There's the option to bang a fat chick, but is that really "doing better"?
There's the option to bang an AFC chump, but is that really "doing better"?

Not in my opinion.
 

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SharinganUser said:
You can be assertive and aggressive AND cut your loses to move onto better women. Not giving up on a woman lowers your status relative to hers. You are the prize, they should be chasing you.
I know that. I was just saying that sending a girl one message then moving on is just going to keep getting you the same results. It has gotten me the same bad results for almost ten years and lots of approaches. I think you should be more aggressive then just one message. But I will agree that you should be aggressive to multiple girls at once and not just go for one girl at a time and I think you should give up on a particular girl after about two weeks or so (while still going for other girls during those two weeks of course).
 

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I feel I have to point out in this thread that what one calls "fat" is not "fat" to another, it's a very personal thing. Also, it has to do with age to a certain extent. For example: a girl I would consider "fat" when I was 18, I might now consider just a little chubby.

I'm not saying the OP's (and others') observation about fat chicks getting much more d*ck than one would assume is untrue! I just think it's important to realize that one guy's definition of "fat" is different from another guy's definition of "fat" and the seeming consensus in this thread might turn out much lower when we take this factor into the equation...
 

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LOL...

Fat Chicks have their place.. And that's for 1 night of drunken fun. That's it.

If a girl doesn't respect herself enough to keep her weight under control, than how could anyone ever respect her enough to make her an LTR?

I'd whack it to internet porn till the day I die rather than ever settle for a fatty.. P.S. Fatty = anything over 140 unless she's over 5'8"
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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