"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Fat Is Not Where Its At

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Just a quick list of the most unattractive physical attributes of a man, as viewed by women.

1-This is really the only one. If you're a fat man, your chances of dating or even having female companionship drop dramatically. Sure, you'll hear women talk about how shallow guys are, but there's a whole cottage, dating industry the caters to men seek Big Beautiful Women. If anyone can show me a dating site that caters to Big Handsome Men, I'd like to see it. (By the way, I'm in shape) In America, if you're fat, you're automatically not taken as seriously as thin people. This isn't only true for dating, but life in general.

2-The way you dress. Yes it's true. "Every girl's crazy about a sharp, dressed man. In particular, women obsess about shoes.Not only their own shoes, but ours too. You can have the best outfit, but if your shoes are shoddy, you'll get dissed.

3-Height. Now this isn't as big of a deal as most guys think, but, everything else being equal, a woman will usually find the taller guy more attractive.

4-Money/Career. Besides being fat, I'm not sure if anything turns a woman off more than having to support a guy. Now, this doesn't mean you have to be super rich, but it does you should be able to pull your own weight. Many of the most beautiful women end up with very wealthy men. But, don't think it's a necessity. I've seen countless rich guys get dumped for more exciting or better looking poor guys.

5-Attitude. I can't stress this enough. NEVER let a woman lead the relationship. You might think it's cute to let her make decisions, but I'll guaruntee you that she'll bore quickly of it. Nothing ends a relationship faster than a guy letting his girl lead.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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See, I don't think height is as important. I really don't think a chick is going to choose a 400lb guy who's 6'7 over a guy who's 5'10 and ripped. Unless she's ultra tall herself.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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justiceseeker said:
Just a quick list of the most unattractive physical attributes of a man, as viewed by women.

1-This is really the only one. If you're a fat man, your chances of dating or even having female companionship drop dramatically. Sure, you'll hear women talk about how shallow guys are, but there's a whole cottage, dating industry the caters to men seek Big Beautiful Women. If anyone can show me a dating site that caters to Big Handsome Men, I'd like to see it. (By the way, I'm in shape) In America, if you're fat, you're automatically not taken as seriously as thin people. This isn't only true for dating, but life in general.



I agree 100%. Fat is not only a destroyer of health, but it destroys any attractive facial features you have. Fat gives you a double chin and adds way too much fullness to your cheeks giving your face a round appearance.

What cracks me up the most is when I see single short men who are also FAT! These guys just don't get it. They are already at a huge disadvantage due to their height, yet they let themselves get fat.

Fat men can get girls, but girls not the cute ones.

MOST fat men I see have average to below average looking wives/girlfriends.
 
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I have an actual pimp as a good friend... read my post, he's fat, black, and tall and has three white hoes... if you dont have the genetic alpha, work with what you've got as best you can... and use power of money, government and church boys, the cant and have never failed.
 
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My sister is considered very attractive. She always had guys hitting on her all the time. Anywhere she went. A couple years ago I asked her if height mattered, she said not really. However the guys she dated were 6'4" and 6'1".

Usually I don't agree with wutang, but I have noticed some truth about height.

Now that I think about it, the only time I have seen attractive women dating shorter guys is when they're both in their 30s, or later. And most of the time you can tell the dude's got money.

My cousin, who is also a good-looking girl, is dating this one guy. I wouldn't say he has the classic "handsome" looking going, but he's like 6'2".

If you're short, you need to be either very good-looking, or have a lot of social proof.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but again I think wu makes some valid points. A short guy with mediocre personality isn't going to cut it.
 
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obey propaganda... fierce name you must be good.

I agree entirely though. for all we know your sister doesnt even know what shes saying.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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ima str8 up pimp said:
I have an actual pimp as a good friend... read my post, he's fat, black, and tall and has three white hoes... if you dont have the genetic alpha, work with what you've got as best you can... and use power of money, government and church boys, the cant and have never failed.

Oh yeah, and what do these girls look like? If the girls are not atleast cute, THEY DON'T COUNT. Quality over quanity my friend.
 

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Obey Propaganda said:
My sister is considered very attractive. She always had guys hitting on her all the time. Anywhere she went. A couple years ago I asked her if height mattered, she said not really. However the guys she dated were 6'4" and 6'1".

Usually I don't agree with wutang, but I have noticed some truth about height.

Now that I think about it, the only time I have seen attractive women dating shorter guys is when they're both in their 30s, or later. And most of the time you can tell the dude's got money.

My cousin, who is also a good-looking girl, is dating this one guy. I wouldn't say he has the classic "handsome" looking going, but he's like 6'2".

If you're short, you need to be either very good-looking, or have a lot of social proof.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but again I think wu makes some valid points. A short guy with mediocre personality isn't going to cut it.
I agree with this statement and I do see tall guys with the hottest girls. I have seen short guys with attractive women, but more tall guys.

I also noticed if you are tall, you can get away with being maybe 5-10 lbs overweight (but not fat) and more facial flaws than average or short guys and still pull a cute girl.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Obey Propaganda said:
My sister is considered very attractive. She always had guys hitting on her all the time. Anywhere she went. A couple years ago I asked her if height mattered, she said not really. However the guys she dated were 6'4" and 6'1".

Usually I don't agree with wutang, but I have noticed some truth about height.

Now that I think about it, the only time I have seen attractive women dating shorter guys is when they're both in their 30s, or later. And most of the time you can tell the dude's got money.

My cousin, who is also a good-looking girl, is dating this one guy. I wouldn't say he has the classic "handsome" looking going, but he's like 6'2".

If you're short, you need to be either very good-looking, or have a lot of social proof.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but again I think wu makes some valid points. A short guy with mediocre personality isn't going to cut it.
I agree with this statement and I do see tall guys with the hottest girls. I have seen short guys with attractive women, but more tall guys.

I also noticed if you are tall, you can get away with being maybe 5-10 lbs overweight (but not fat) and more facial flaws than average or short guys and still pull a cute girl.
 
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In a way though, we can't get mad at girls. We'd be hypocrites. We have our standards, they have theirs.

I will say, you have a much better chance being a short guy then being an unattractive woman.

An ugly chick is a sinking ship with no life jackets. It's a terrible thing to say, but it's true.
 

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Obey Propaganda said:
In a way though, we can't get mad at girls. We'd be hypocrites. We have our standards, they have theirs.

I will say, you have a much better chance being a short guy then being an unattractive woman.

An ugly chick is a sinking ship with no life jackets. It's a terrible thing to say, but it's true.
haha, I just said that to my friend today.

There is NO WORSE thing in this world, than to be a physically unattractive woman. No matter what she accomplish's, an ugly woman will always be mocked and teased for being ugly (e.g. Eleanor Roosevelt).

An ugly man can still be seen as masculine and is not judged as harshly.
 

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Anyone who says any of those things don't matter is wrong. How much they matter is subjective though. Certain things are going to put you at a disadvantage compared to other men, but that doesn't mean you can't make up for it.

I have honestly never seen a person who was just plain ugly because they were genetically shafted. Most people that are unattractive are that way because they don't put any effort into themselves. There is no excuse for poor hygiene, there is no excuse for being fat, there is no excuse for a poor wardrobe (you don't need $100 jeans to dress nice), and there is no excuse for a poor attitude.

As for the height and money thing. 5'10 is the average height for men. Women may prefer tall men, but there are not enough of them for every woman on earth to date a tall man. As for the money issue, women don't have x ray vision. They can't see into your wallet. Why would you want to be with a woman who cares more about money than you. When a man has a lot of money it means he is successful. He dedicated himself and worked hard. He had a goal and aspirations. He didn't sit at home and bum off his parents. That is the part women are attracted to, not the money itself (excluding gold diggers)



Also doesn't anyone else think it's funny that there are threads on the first page with almost no responses, but whenever someone makes a height/money/looks/penis size thread everyone amazingly starts posting.
 

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I agree that these superficial posts can get monotonous, but honestly, if we don't address the outside, they'll never get to see the inside.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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