"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Fashion: What does it say about a woman?

rhcp83

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I noticed a trend in my own dating life as well as just some observations on pof and observing women in real life.

It seems for young women that are average looking or better (let's say 30 and under) that how they dress directly correlates with who she is as a person.

What I mean is, the few women I've dated/been on dates with were 6 plus (one was in the 8-9 range) but they weren't huge into fashion. They weren't scrubs...they wore clothing that suited their body and matched and looked stylish...but you could just tell they didn't spend hours putting themselves together and don't go to the mall every weekend buying new outfits...not a lot of makeup...no "attitude" etc. .

Then take these examples. There's a girl I graduated high school with that is on pof, has been on there for two years claiming on her profile "why can't I just meet a good guy?"...she's about a 6-7 on the 10 scale...has a V shaped face...decent body but nothing special...you can tell she really cares about how she looks/what she wears...drowns herself in makeup...has sex and the city type outfits...yet she's looking for some male 10 and seems to think she's in that league.

Another girl...probably about a 6-7...acts like she's more important than everyone else...whenever I see her, she's way overdressed for the occasion, probably shops every week...has an attitude to her.

Just observing women in Boston when I go out...you see a lot of 6-7s-8s that are way overdressed...like they're auditioning for Sex and the City, and walk around with that dead serious "don't look at me even though I really want you to notice me" face.

I notice that there are attractive women (if not better than them) that are more of the jeans/shirt type and seem more approachable and when I approach them I'm usually right.

So if a young woman is dressed to the 9s, spends her life in clothing stores/hair salons/beauty stores, is that usually a sign that she thinks she's some hot sh*t?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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That definitely sounds true to me.

The best part is when they accidentally put on too much make up and don't start over....they look like a clown.
 

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rhcp83 said:
So if a young woman is dressed to the 9s, spends her life in clothing stores/hair salons/beauty stores, is that usually a sign that she thinks she's some hot sh*t?
It means high maintenance. I'm very low maintenance for the most part so I avoid these women like the plague. I dress up every now and then but I make sure to meet every girl I deal with wearing a hoodie, jeans, and some kind of sports or band tshirt. If she doesn't like me like that she isn't going to like me.

I have to disagree with your idea that 9s and 10s never dress up or dress up less than women less good looking. I find that they dress up just as much if not more and are often even more anxious about how they look. They know better than most what they get for their looks and want to maintain that status. I don't know where you're from but in Philly, NYC, and DC that is definitely the case.
 
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I'm not bothered how a woman dresses, just as long as her clothes end up on my bedroom floor. You are right though, if a woman is dressed up to the nine's then she is probably high maintenance.
 

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Look for a woman that wears dresses.

Women that wear dresses have a higher likelyhood of being in touch with their feminine side/a bit more traditional compared to the average ho at the club. They make better girlfriend/spouses than the average ho at a club. More down to earth.
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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A women needs to have the ability and knowledge to get fixed up if she wants to. You can meet some girls at school or work always see them in jeans, they look great fine. But take her out and she needs to prove she can dress up a little. Some girls just dont have the clothes or just don't know how to dress up and look good. I was dating this girl that didnt know any other way to dress, took her out to a formal party and was pretty embarassed, it just bothered me. She put on this retro looking frilly dress it looked horrible. I never called her out on it, but I never forgot, and totally would only take her to things I knew she had clothes for after that.
 

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SgtSplacker said:
A women needs to have the ability and knowledge to get fixed up if she wants to. You can meet some girls at school or work always see them in jeans, they look great fine. But take her out and she needs to prove she can dress up a little. Some girls just dont have the clothes or just don't know how to dress up and look good. I was dating this girl that didnt know any other way to dress, took her out to a formal party and was pretty embarassed, it just bothered me. She put on this retro looking frilly dress it looked horrible. I never called her out on it, but I never forgot, and totally would only take her to things I knew she had clothes for after that.
I'm with you here. I am pretty into fashion, and sometimes it bothers me if a girl I am with isn't at all. I think it comes down to having a thing for the more feminine type. I don't get that from a girl that wears sports/band shirts and jeans all of the time.

My LTR ex wore jeans and a hoody or t-shirt nearly everywhere we went and I hated it. Unfortunately, my last ex never left the house with less than $1,000 worth of clothes on. That was a little much. (If your dog has 4 Coach collars, and a Juicy Couture carry-bag, you know you are high maintenance)

I guess I just feel that if I put in the effort to look my best (which I do), I would like her to do the same. What I don't like, is women that takes forever to get ready and use a ton of makeup. Even the "high fashion" girl did not use much makeup or spend more than 15-20 minutes getting ready on a normal night.
 

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If the clothes she's wearing in that moment have a value above the average man montly salary its a blood red flag.
 

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Whenever I have a f*ck buddy that shows up in clothes that don't make me want to ravage her, I'll tell her that she shouldn't expect to be f*cked stupid that night unless she puts on something that gets me excited. They learn quickly. I'll have them bring clothes to chage inside so they don't look all crazy when they come to my door.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Vice said:
Whenever I have a f*ck buddy that shows up in clothes that don't make me want to ravage her, I'll tell her that she shouldn't expect to be f*cked stupid that night unless she puts on something that gets me excited. They learn quickly. I'll have them bring clothes to chage inside so they don't look all crazy when they come to my door.
^^^real talk..
 

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Yep, women overdress the key is to figure out if the woman is comfortable wearing normal clothes or is ok with getting dirty. Those are the rare ones. Most women either must always looking their best or they have some massive complex or they don't care about how they look and they aren't as sexy as they could be because they don't take the time to make an impression.
 
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