Family lawyer says he's seeing a new trend of the 'manosphere' leading to divorce

[Clockwerk50]

Family lawyer says he's seeing a new trend of the 'manosphere' leading to divorce | CBC News

Article came out today. Just a few thoughts from my perspective:

1. I'm not condoning what the "manosphere" promotes, but I think the bigger issue—and the reason so many men are getting drawn into that garbage—is that there are very few spaces where young men feel like their thoughts, feelings, and emotions are genuinely respected. The problem is that people like the Tate brothers exploit that void to "recruit" vulnerable guys into their pyramid schemes.

2. A lot of men fall into the manosphere even when they never had to. Guys who were already poly, charming, had no trouble with dating—what happened? Ego. Insecurity. A need to be seen as the best. They invented this narrative of male victimhood and doubled down on it. It's ironic because we do have a real loneliness epidemic among men, but instead of addressing those real-world issues, these influencers focus on made-up ones.

3. If these men are getting married in the first place, are they even in the manosphere? One of its core tenets is to avoid modern marriage altogether. It seems more like many of these guys become radicalized after getting married—possibly as a reaction to life not going how they imagined.

4. The article makes a good point: unhappiness in other areas of life can bleed into your marriage. In one example, a man lost his job due to an injury, developed deep resentment, and then got sucked into manosphere content that pointed fingers and offered easy answers. It's a common pattern.

5. That said, the article doesn’t provide much evidence—no surveys, no data—just the opinion of one divorce attorney. Between AI-generated fluff and opinion pieces pretending to be journalism, it’s getting harder and harder to find real, grounded reporting.

 

[SW15]

the article doesn’t provide much evidence—no surveys, no data—just the opinion of one divorce attorney. Between AI-generated fluff and opinion pieces pretending to be journalism, it’s getting harder and harder to find real, grounded reporting.

This article is a big nothing because of that. We have no idea if the 'manosphere' or actual misogyny groups are leading to more divorces.

Prominent divorce attorney James Sexton has mentioned that he read Rollo Tomassi's "Rational Male" book when it was released in 2013. He did a full length podcast episode with Rollo Tomassi in 2023.

James Sexton is likely to disagree with the opinion of the divorce attorney cited in that article.

If these men are getting married in the first place, are they even in the manosphere? One of its core tenets is to avoid modern marriage altogether.

Rollo Tomassi has advocated against marriage. Myron Gaines of the Fresh & Fit podcast has also advocated against marriage and he considers Rollo Tomassi to be a major influence on his own perspectives.

If a man is getting married, he is likely at the fringes of the Manosphere/red pill movement or he has yet to discover the red pill. I think it is more of the latter (lack of discovery).

The black pill ideology has been growing faster than the red pill ideology for the past 8-10 years.

It seems more like many of these guys become radicalized after getting married—possibly as a reaction to life not going how they imagined.

I think men get more radicalized as their marriages are failing. Divorce proceedings also have a way of radicalizing men. The entire divorce process has a way of making men more interested in Manosphere/red pill content.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

This article is a big nothing because of that. We have no idea if the 'manosphere' or actual misogyny groups are leading to more divorces.

Prominent divorce attorney James Sexton has mentioned that he read Rollo Tomassi's "Rational Male" book when it was released in 2013. He did a full length podcast episode with Rollo Tomassi in 2023.

James Sexton is likely to disagree with the opinion of the divorce attorney cited in that article.



Rollo Tomassi has advocated against marriage. Myron Gaines of the Fresh & Fit podcast has also advocated against marriage and he considers Rollo Tomassi to be a major influence on his own perspectives.

If a man is getting married, he is likely at the fringes of the Manosphere/red pill movement or he has yet to discover the red pill. I think it is more of the latter (lack of discovery).

The black pill ideology has been growing faster than the red pill ideology for the past 8-10 years.



I think men get more radicalized as their marriages are failing. Divorce proceedings also have a way of radicalizing men. The entire divorce process has a way of making men more interested in Manosphere/red pill content.

That entire article is a crock of s**t. Repeating the “toxic masculinity“, “misogyny“ BS. Blah blah blah..

-Augustus-

 

[justaroundthecorner]

I do not think that 23y old female story marrying a young soldier and eventually getting divorced is a good example - it is a young age to get married and couples where at least one person is in military have very high rates of divorces due to long periods of spending time separate from each other anyway (only sailors/oil rigs employees have it worse I guess) so it was uphill battle for them for a start. I knew 2 military couples in my life - one is already dissolved (they both went their own way) in another one they both cheated on each other constantly.

What you describe is rather a result of men maturing later nowadays and modern society creating additional obstacles against asserting sexual dominance over female, so necessary for mutual attraction in traditional relationship which creates additional frustration in males that do not want to be in a "modern" relationships where wife tell them what to do all the time.

Sometimes I professionally deal with ppl going through divorces - the main reason is pretty much always the same - the lack of sexual attraction for the other partner meaning keeping that partner is no challenge anymore, but is perceived as a burden - guys want have sex with fit younger women, women want to be treated as a prize during marriage too - guys often start to drink, take drugs, look for romances outside marriage - when it comes to soldiers - they want to be able to fulfill all their needs where they are and when they have time for it - that's why marriage is against their job often. Guys doing drugs, having sex outside marriage - it's all because they feel their needs are no longer fulfilled and women they are with is no longer perceived as attractive partner - this is the only thing female ego can't stand - females are perfectly capable of loving villains as long as villains desire them while they are incapable of taking disrespect from average Joe they are married with.

Tell your wife she is unattractive and you want to have sex with younger women. Repeat it the next week. I guarantee you she will consider initiating divorce with you after that irrespective of what you will do next. My experience is that feeling disrespected and not desired, are indicators of total lack of control over man and are the primary factors behind women initiating divorces much more often than men do.

 

[jhonny9546]

My experience is that feeling disrespected and unwanted is an indicator of a total lack of control over a man and is the main factor that drives women to divorce much more often than men.

Also consider that this happens the other way around, especially nowadays: many women will feel unattracted to their man, who is "the whole package" and provides them with the lifestyle they desire, but they will divorce him anyway because he is no longer as "nice" as he once was.
Or divorce will happen once the men find out she cheated on him.

which creates further frustration in men who don't want to live in "modern" relationships where their wife is always telling them what to do.

Men and women want to live in a respectful relationship.
But you're constantly getting angry with her, or she with you, you yell, and you can't communicate.
So you do what others suggest, become more authoritative, set the frame, but maybe you're doing it with the wrong person? And it's a losing game. The result is divorce.

You should definitely think about increasing your SMV, but what works to maintain the relationship is creating an "infrastructure" to keep the woman in.
The more respectful she is and wants to be with you, the longer you'll have the relationship.
When she decides to disrespect you and behave badly, then move on to the next one.

Isn't that right?
Make an infrastructure for her, like our history teach us about.
Give her a job into your business, making her part of a family business.
Give her the possibility to stay in your house, and raise your kids.
Give her a yearly salary so She can pay for her expenses.
Support her in any way and make sure She is living in your world infrastructure, or She will live in the government one.

This would be the easiest relationship you can have.
If you have to have a relationship with a career woman, then you also need luck.

 

[Free_Agent]

I think men get more radicalized as their marriages are failing. Divorce proceedings also have a way of radicalizing men. The entire divorce process has a way of making men more interested in Manosphere/red pill content.

That was my segue over. I got demolished in the family court and the subsequent relationship with a woman 11 years younger. Previous to all that there were no apps and the women, atleast in my opinion, were way more tolerable in the late 90s and early 2000s

Now I’m single again and the dating scene is a wasteland. Apps I don’t bother

 

[Solomon]

Dating is really so bad that literally manosphere content exploded once COVID hit, especially with Tate, Kevin Samuels etc
I remember in 2021 I was on a date with a 24-year-old She asked me on my thoughts on Tate I was shocked and not ready for that question.
You have to remember in 2015, no one knew about the manosphere hell in 2010, going on dates with smokeshows, they didn't even know what feminism 1.0 was much less feminism 3.0

A lot of things have changed quickly, I keep telling you guys on the forum that a reset is coming within a decade and people think I'm crazy but once again having been RP aware and "Game" aware since 2007/2008 To see these massive changes so QUICKLY has been somewhat shocking but not surprising

A reset is needed in the dating/mating markets because it's been in a bubble favoring the women but with this big beautiful bill, inflation is coming. we are also dealing with a food shortage that hasn't hit yet(do your own research I've posted plenty of articles in various posts int he last 2 years) if you been paying attention, peopleare losing jobs to AI, cost of living etc.

a RESET to dating market is coming and for some it will be great for most it will be trash

I hope sosuavers aren't caught of guard when it happens cause I see it a mile away, this is going to be a great era for guys who have their stuff together because it's about to be a feast for us!​

 

[BaronOfHair]

More than a few unions during the height of what we today call 2nd Wave Feminism ended, after chicks bought into everything they heard and read out of Freidan and Firestone, decided that things they were dissatisfied with were the result of "Patriarchal Oppression"

Something similar is happening with among men now. These quirks of history are a fact of human existence

 

[Slowhandluke]

I do not think that 23y old female story marrying a young soldier and eventually getting divorced is a good example - it is a young age to get married and couples where at least one person is in military have very high rates of divorces due to long periods of spending time separate from each other anyway (only sailors/oil rigs employees have it worse I guess) so it was uphill battle for them for a start. I knew 2 military couples in my life - one is already dissolved (they both went their own way) in another one they both cheated on each other constantly.

What you describe is rather a result of men maturing later nowadays and modern society creating additional obstacles against asserting sexual dominance over female, so necessary for mutual attraction in traditional relationship which creates additional frustration in males that do not want to be in a "modern" relationships where wife tell them what to do all the time.

Sometimes I professionally deal with ppl going through divorces - the main reason is pretty much always the same - the lack of sexual attraction for the other partner meaning keeping that partner is no challenge anymore, but is perceived as a burden - guys want have sex with fit younger women, women want to be treated as a prize during marriage too - guys often start to drink, take drugs, look for romances outside marriage - when it comes to soldiers - they want to be able to fulfill all their needs where they are and when they have time for it - that's why marriage is against their job often. Guys doing drugs, having sex outside marriage - it's all because they feel their needs are no longer fulfilled and women they are with is no longer perceived as attractive partner - this is the only thing female ego can't stand - females are perfectly capable of loving villains as long as villains desire them while they are incapable of taking disrespect from average Joe they are married with.

Tell your wife she is unattractive and you want to have sex with younger women. Repeat it the next week. I guarantee you she will consider initiating divorce with you after that irrespective of what you will do next. My experience is that feeling disrespected and not desired, are indicators of total lack of control over man and are the primary factors behind women initiating divorces much more often than men do.

Women are treating a lot of their husbands like trash. Husbands (if they have the means and the ability) leave the relationship. Women pickachu face. media sees pickachu face and blames Andrew Tate.

Slowly, Women will start to realize that putting men down or not respecting them, or not "love and obey" their husbands; there will be negative consequences.

Husbands are starting to notice that their single peers are thriving fine without women. These husbands are 2nd guessing if its worth being a simp.

so far the only marriages I see working are where the woman is subservient to the man.

huhm, the more I think about it, I wonder if women were made to say the "love and OBEY" vows, would the marriage have a better chance of succeeding? Basically, dont marry any women who is not willing to say the original vows and mean it, verbally be able to convey the meaning of the vows and explain it to her friends. hahahahha

 

[BaronOfHair]

Women are treating a lot of their husbands like trash

That many women are megac-n-s was a well-established fact, loooooooooong before we started babbling about all colors of pills, hurling around buzzwords like "Gynoncentrism". Amid the unhealthy relationships that are ending, one also has to wonder if at least a few completely healthy ones aren't also capsizing, on account of fellas reading evil intentions into events and behavior which really have completely innocent explanations

Frankly, this isn't even a phenomena confined to Red Pill Theology's affect on men

 

[Bokanovsky]

4. The article makes a good point: unhappiness in other areas of life can bleed into your marriage. In one example, a man lost his job due to an injury, developed deep resentment, and then got sucked into manosphere content that pointed fingers and offered easy answers. It's a common pattern.

Don't forget that it also provides anecdotal evidence from a 23-year-old university student who got involved in a long-distance relationship with a "military man" living in another country (which does not sound like a harebrained thing to do, AT ALL). Take that and combine it with the opinions of a professor at some third-rate college and the views of a divorce lawyer from Swift Currents, Saskatchewan who looks like a supporting character from Breaking Bad and you've got a rock solid theory on what's wrong with men today.

 

[BaronOfHair]

4. The article makes a good point: unhappiness in other areas of life can bleed into your marriage. In one example, a man lost his job due to an injury, developed deep resentment, and then got sucked into manosphere content that pointed fingers and offered easy answers. It's a common pattern

Similar to bored housewives back in the day, who stumbled across Betty Freidan et al and mistook that crud for Holy Writ, in other words

 

[jhonny9546]

A lot of men fall into the manosphere even when they never had to. Guys who were already poly, charming, had no trouble with dating—

This man emphasizes how acting as a "provider," providing for the needs of those in need, is the most masculine thing a man can do. This is why those who are providers in our society will have a bluepilled life, be happy, but are very likely to be cheated on.
In that case, marriage and subsequent divorce are a weapon for women to enslave this kind of men.

It's as if today's world and its laws are the main reason a man isn't in his nature.
They force him to not behave in a truly masculine way.

 

[BaronOfHair]

We can ameliorate lots of our personal woes by emulating men who lived in the not too distant past https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/james-coburn-the-ultimate-sixties-tough-guy

 

[jhonny9546]

This is exactly what I've noticed.
If you have a guide, you have a better life.
If you get inspired, or have a real man in your real life, then you'll have a good life.
For those who don't have one, how do you find him? (I'd call him a life wingman.)

We can ameliorate lots of our personal woes by emulating men who lived in the not too distant past https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/james-coburn-the-ultimate-sixties-tough-guy

 

[jhonny9546]

from minute 46 you can actually hear more about on being the "provider" version

 

[BaronOfHair]

If you have a guide, you have a better life...
For those who don't have one, how do you find him?

One way: Use current technology to look back at men from the past, both fairly recent and ancient. The article I linked https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/james-coburn-the-ultimate-sixties-tough-guy is but one example

We can also take same comfort in the recognition that the "problems" of today, are, in one sense, nothing new... In the not too distant past, "alpha" men like Coburn existed side by side with "sensitive" guys like Montgomery Clift

 

[BaronOfHair]

For those who don't have one, how do you find him?

We can also breathe at least mild sighs of a relief, over the fact that there are parts of the world where the "Masculinity Crisis"

Is far more of a disaster than the one we here in The Post-Industrial West are currently pestered by

 

[Beyond It]

I wonder where the ideas of “To have a full life you need a woman. , behind every successful man there is a woman.” Came from?
Just a question.

 

[jhonny9546]

Have you ever experienced the beauty life has to offer when you're a king and have a woman at your side, supporting you?

For me, it was just a brief moment, but I can assure you, a king is a king, but when he's with a queen, it's a whole different life, my friend.

I'm pretty sure there are people in this forum that are on the quest on finding, then making, women like this