Fairness in Life

[backbreaker]

Your entire life you've been lied to

when you were in high school you were told that if you did your homework and got good grades and didn't act up in school that you would be rewarded with college and when you get to college you would be the king of the world. Parties, girls, games, fun! Then you get to college only to find out that homeless people on crack have a higher market value than you do on campus.


But it's cool. Just put your head down and keep working hard, stay in school, bust your ass get good grades and get you a good job and women, not just women, LIFE will start to just start coming your way. Good things will happen to you. So you do that and then you find out you are one of 1000 guys just like you at your job alone and no one gives a **** if you made a's and b's in college and that you want to be successful one day. You have some debt you live in a ****ty apartment and you well. you suck. All you have now is all this responsibility and the girls that you put off are now all screwing guys not you.


But wait buddy! just a little bit longer... put a little bit more work in. Get a little bit of experience under your belt, better yourself and you will start to have fun, women will start to wise up and see you as a high value male. Then you do this only to find that the women that you actually want now see you as a creeper because you aren't young and the women that are available... mind you the same women you wanted 10 years ago, now have doubled down and want you to marry them before they will even let you finger them lol. And on top of that you ain't a real manz if you ain't go take care of her 2 kids no questions asked because that's what real men do.


At some point you just what the **** man come on lol. i just want a little fun, I work hard dammit, I put my time in and dammit I want what's coming to me. That is not an unreasonable demand dammit. I keep waiting I keep putting off, I keep putting my head down and what do i have for it?



The problem



Life is not fair. That's a saying that you hear all the time. I've said it before But the more I age the more I Realize that life is very fair. In fact the problem is the exact opposite of what most guys think the problem is. The problem is that life is unequivocally fair. Life doesn't give a damn about your feelings, your wants, even your needs. Life only gives a **** about life. Life does not care what you think you have coming to you. Life does not care how hard you worked. Life does not care how good of a person you are. Life does not care how much you go to church or how much you donate. Life does not care who your parents are or the color of your skin.


The solution

Is quite simple. It's so simple that it's one word. One word that will change the way you look at everything, and all your past experiences.

Value.

The world does not care if I have been going to the gym for a year or not if I am not hot I'm not going to be called hot by women. The world does not care how many hours I work a week if I am not offering value to my clients, I won't sale anything (this is probably the toughest lesson I have personal had to learn in my life because my natural reaction to every problem is just to work harder. it should be to work SMARTER). Value, Value, Value.

When I first started my web development company me being me I made it a goal to email / talk to 75 people a day. And that worked. Now I might talk to 3-4 a day and we've never made more money. I work smarter by focusing on the clients that we are excellent fits for then by trying to shot gun talk to everyone.


The main problem with blue pill people is that they are under the false premise that your hard work in itself is going to pay off. There is not virtue in working hard for the sake of working hard. That's just stupidity.


My fav, or one of my fav books of all time is Animal Farnm. I'm sure you've all read it in English Lit class like I did. Boxter is the epitome of a hard worker and at the end of the day he never questioned anything and at the end of the day he was disposed of because of it.


Why am I making this post? for 2 reasons

1. You will feel a lot better about where you are and what you need to do once you understand that no one gives a **** how much you sacrificed and how hard you work if it's not built any value. There is nothing wrong with working hard or sacrifice. I did both. But I built value in the mean time.


2. I get tired of people *****ing about how unfair life is. There is nothing more fair than nature. The people with value get rewarded the people who don't offer value don't. It's that simple

 

[sharkbeat]

Life IS fair. People are not.

Value is created by people, and pretty much all living beings. Gold is expensive because people want it. Diamonds are expensive because people want it.

If you want to be successful in women (people), then yes, you should start thinking about increasing your value, your own self-worth (both Perceived and Real). Not just monetary wise, but your own self esteem and dignity.

 

[The_flying_dutchman]

This is a good post. I think it offers a different perspective that can be useful to many of us if we give it consideration.

Although I don't think I can agree with it 100%, I do see some strong arguments made by backbreaker.

I will say that life is fair because it is equally brutal and merciless to everyone (indiscriminately).

Let's use the analogy of a poker game, a setting in which the words "fair" and "unfair" have no relevance because everyone has an equal probability of getting lucky or getting fvcked. The goal is to extract the maximum value out of each hand you're dealt. If you're dealt junk cards, just lay it down and wait for a better hand.

Why would someone want to "work hard" and extract value out of junk cards? It's pointless and futile in the long run. Why not play it smart, wait for a good hand, and extract max value from that .

As it is in poker, so too is it in the game of life. It's about creating value for yourself or extracting value from a situation.

The fools in life are the ones who work hard trying to extract value out of something that essentially has no value.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Life IS fair. People are not.

Value is created by people, and pretty much all living beings. Gold is expensive because people want it. Diamonds are expensive because people want it.

If you want to be successful in women (people), then yes, you should start thinking about increasing your value, your own self-worth (both Perceived and Real). Not just monetary wise, but your own self esteem and dignity.

Exactly. And I think what guys usually object to is how social and political policies reward women and certain groups over others-picking and creating winners and losers. Society use to believe in fairplay and making people play fair. No one makes women play fair anymore or dares even question women at all.

 

[backbreaker]

This is a good post. I think it offers a different perspective that can be useful to many of us if we give it consideration.

Although I don't think I can agree with it 100%, I do see some strong arguments made by backbreaker.

I will say that life is fair because it is equally brutal and merciless to everyone (indiscriminately).

Let's use the analogy of a poker game, a setting in which the words "fair" and "unfair" have no relevance because everyone has an equal probability of getting lucky or getting fvcked. The goal is to extract the maximum value out of each hand you're dealt. If you're dealt junk cards, just lay it down and wait for a better hand.

Why would someone want to "work hard" and extract value out of junk cards? It's pointless and futile in the long run. Why not play it smart, wait for a good hand, and extract max value from that .

As it is in poker, so too is it in the game of life. It's about creating value for yourself or extracting value from a situation.

The fools in life are the ones who work hard trying to extract value out of something that essentially has no value.

In your analogy I would argue the premise. See, you are assuming that fair means that everyone has an equal chance of winning. I assume fair means that the person who offers the most value or in the poker hand case, has the best hand, has the best chance to win.


Take the smoking hot HB 9 at the gym. You are saying it's not fair that she gets to pick and chose what studs she gets to date she gets to date the best of the best and she thumbs her nose up at guys simply because she's hot. I say that is perfectly fair because she offers extreme value; she's smoking hot. she may not have EARNED her value by working hard but she has value and should be treated accordingly.

 

[Stagger Lee]

In your analogy I would argue the premise. See, you are assuming that fair means that everyone has an equal chance of winning. I assume fair means that the person who offers the most value or in the poker hand case, has the best hand, has the best chance to win.


Take the smoking hot HB 9 at the gym. You are saying it's not fair that she gets to pick and chose what studs she gets to date she gets to date the best of the best and she thumbs her nose up at guys simply because she's hot. I say that is perfectly fair because she offers extreme value; she's smoking hot. she may not have EARNED her value by working hard but she has value and should be treated accordingly.

My argument is that life isn't fair because some don't have to offer the best value to win. The HB6 who had the easy ride with affirmative action through college and getting a job, who demands a M8 with equal resources who had to get there through much harder work and the deck stack against him.

My argument is how a male gains and is valued is not fair. The game of life is titled in favor of some and in disfavor of others by people, not by life.

 

[user43770]

Life most certainly isn't fair. It never has been. The idea of fairness has gained traction on the heels of progressivism. Our generations (generations X, Y and Millennials) were raised to believe that we all deserve a trophy; we're all going to fall in love and marry supermodels. It's laughable.

Hell, you can't turn on a television without seeing half-naked supermodels. You can't watch a movie without being bombarded with fairy tales about love. Advertising and social media are giving us false hopes. We're constantly shown heights that we can never climb to, no matter how hard we try.

And what do we do? We fall in line and do our best to attract these women, even though their quality is decreasing by the day. It isn't their fault, though, because guess what, they have a herd mentality and they're also falling for the disillusion from the powers that be: more, more, more. Better, better, better.

How can I ever win when I've been set up to fail? Why should I try harder when doing so does nothing but waste my finite life? Evolution has never believed in fairness. Nor will it ever.

My advice, to anyone that cares, is to do whatever makes you happy.

 

[Tictac]

Fair? Seriously? The world, the universe is indifferent. There is no fair or foul.

So what remains is probability, coincidence and value propositions.

 

[zekko]

Your entire life you've been lied to

when you were in high school you were told that if you did your homework and got good grades and didn't act up in school that you would be rewarded with college and when you get to college you would be the king of the world. Parties, girls, games, fun! Then you get to college only to find out that homeless people on crack have a higher market value than you do on campus.

You know, I'm always reading stuff like this here. "You were lied to. They told you all you had to do was be nice and be a good guy and all these good things woud come to you". To be honest, I don't recall anyone ever saying anything like that to me in my life. I was told if you wanted something, you had to work for it, I remember that.

Anyway, nah I don't think life is fair. If you use the poker analogy, we all just get one hand, and we're stuck playing that one. Some people have a winning hand (wealthy parents, good genes, good looks, etc.). Some people have a huge uphill climb just to break even.

Regarding school and grades, I do have a small tale to tell about that. I always got good grades in high school. I graduated high in my class and was in the honor roll. My reaction to that was "So what, these grades didn't really don't make that much of a difference, we all have a diploma". So when I went to college I decided I wouldn't study quite as much and not worry about grades. I still got good grades, but not top five or anything like that.

I had a friend in high school, however, who didn't get such good grades. He was envious of my honor roll spot and he thought it was pretty cool. As a result he buckled down when he went to college and studied his @ss off and graduated summa *** laude. And as such, his position did help him get a very, very good job when he graduated. So in his case, I would say the good grades paid off.

Edited to say: Lol that they censored summa *** laude.

 

[backbreaker]

I can only speak for myself but my dad while he was around, i lived with my mom. my mother didn't do a very good job with me telling me how **** was she did a good job of telling me about how she wanted **** to be.

 

[Bokanovsky]

All men are created equal. Gender is a social construct. Race does not matter. All of these are lies, yet we (as a society) pretend that they are not because it is socially expedient to accept these lies. Our society is built around the concept of redistributing income from its more productive members to the less productive ones. To make this socially acceptable, we have to make up lies (i.e. blacks are "disadvantaged" as a legacy of slavery, women face a "glass ceiling", etc.) If we embraced the truth, the current social system would collapse.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I agree with the "All men are created equal" and disagree lumping it in with the other silly feminist/liberal ideas though. Of course it originally meant (free) men (males) and that all men had the same rights and value which don't come from other men. It didn't mean the same outcomes would be achieved though. It just meant a level playing field and not a caste or royalty system.

Nowadays, all your rights come from the government and it certainly isn't all men are created equal mentality. Now it's women and non-whites have more rights and protections and therefore more value. Male non-minorities are treated as if they are not even equal. What this all amounts to is it harder for a male to raise his value or place.

 

[zekko]

I agree with the "All men are created equal" and disagree lumping it in with the other silly feminist/liberal ideas though. Of course it originally meant (free) men (males) and that all men had the same rights and value which don't come from other men..

Yeah, the idea is that everybody should have the same rights. Of course, it turns out that some men are more equal than others. For instance, people with more money get better legal representation.

I was pretty much lied to by my mother to "focus on your career and the women will come".

First you get the money, then the power, then the women, right?

The available women are either too young to be trusted(finding themselves via c0ck), used up, or married

I'm quite a bit older than you, but something I'm noticing recently is that all the pretty girls are married. There are a few exceptions, but they're mostly damaged women - hopeless slvts, bisexuals, crazies. No wonder so much focus is on girls in their eary 20s here.

That's one reason that if I find a good worthy girl, I prefer to keep her long term, rather than deal with all the *****es, flakes, BPDs, and other nightmares you read about here.

 

[The_flying_dutchman]

In your analogy I would argue the premise. See, you are assuming that fair means that everyone has an equal chance of winning. I assume fair means that the person who offers the most value or in the poker hand case, has the best hand, has the best chance to win.


Take the smoking hot HB 9 at the gym. You are saying it's not fair that she gets to pick and chose what studs she gets to date she gets to date the best of the best and she thumbs her nose up at guys simply because she's hot. I say that is perfectly fair because she offers extreme value; she's smoking hot. she may not have EARNED her value by working hard but she has value and should be treated accordingly.

My man, I was in agreement with you regarding value. Regardless of whether a person earned their value through hard work or was simply born with value is irrelevant -- they have value, period. Just like in poker, nobody works to earn pocket AA, they were simply dealt those cards -- fair or unfair is irrelevant.

Extracting value from a situation or creating value for yourself is, like you pointed out, the root of success in life.

Returning to our analogy of poker, what people often don't understand about poker is that it's NOT about winning or losing. It's about extracting the most value out of every hand you're dealt, even if that means laying down the hand and waiting for better cards.

So how does this relate to our discussion about working hard versus creating value (working smart)?

Simply put: if you're holding junk cards, don't bother working hard to extract value from it, because there is no value to be gained. If you're holding a monster hand, extract as much value as you can (working smart).

It is a mathematical certainty that everyone will eventually be dealt good cards, and everyone will eventually be dealt bad cards. In this way, life IS fair because everyone will eventually get lucky and everyone will eventually get fvcked. How much you win or lose in each hand correlates to how good you are at extracting/creating value for yourself.

 

[glass half full]

Someone help me here. I sense some really deep value here, but so far I don't exactly understand it.