"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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fact: is she does not respond fast or at all...

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she is not into you and does not want to lead you on... whenever a girl was into me she would respond to communication in a timely manner... this is the most basic sign of rejection. even if she acts all cool when you see her as soon as she responds late or never you kno where you stand and its up to you how long you want to drag on the rejection
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Very true.

My experience also matches this. An annoying thing with my ex was that she never had money in her phone to call/txt. Certainly showed me the rhythm of when she was really into me and when she was waning by her methods of communication.
 

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Sooo true. For example i texted this girl the other night and she texted back instantly, but once i asked her when we were hanging out she suddenly "was driving" and couldn't text haha. Females are so stupid.
 

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DonGorgon said:
even if she acts all cool when you see her as soon as she responds late or never you kno where you stand and its up to you how long you want to drag on the rejection
So why do they do this?

I'm still mulling over my most recent girl.

She ignores my texts for about a week. Then she asks me out. We hang out for a few hours and she's really cool and friendly. I start to get the idea that she may be interested. A couple of days later and she's back to ignoring me.

It's like she's two different people. One who likes me when I'm with her. And one who wants nothing to do with me when I'm not around her. Of course I've nexted her but the whole thing confused me.
 

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When she ignores you that's her way of rejecting you and so she doesn't seem like a complete ******* (in her mind) she takes you out once to relieve her guilt then ignores the sh!t out of you again without feeling bad. Also maybe she was interested when you guys hung out for a few hours but cool and friendly doesn't equal sex or dating. Being sexual does.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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What Judge nismo sees is that this girl is just not that into you. She's into someone else, maybe because you're clinging or she's an attention wh0re.

Maxtro said:
So why do they do this?

Because they know your feelings get hurt when a woman rejects you, and most men don't have a lot of options. So they don't like to shatter a man's hopes of a relationship. Women prefer to do quiet or soft rejections. Blame it on Marie Claire, Vogue, and other magazines for telling them that.

I'm still mulling over my most recent girl.

Why? If she wants you, she wants you. If she's not happy around you, she's with someone who makes her happy.

She ignores my texts for about a week. Then she asks me out. We hang out for a few hours and she's really cool and friendly. I start to get the idea that she may be interested. A couple of days later and she's back to ignoring me.

She had to get her fix from someone. And she's getting some dik elsewhere.

It's like she's two different people. One who likes me when I'm with her. And one who wants nothing to do with me when I'm not around her. Of course I've nexted her but the whole thing confused me.

THANK YOU MAXTRO! BUT OUR PRINCESS IS IN ANOTHER CASTLE!
Read betwee- Case closed.
 

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ArcBound said:
she takes you out once to relieve her guilt then ignores the sh!t out of you again without feeling bad.
Is this for real? That's crazy. Then again this is a woman we're talking about and they aren't know for being logical.

Also maybe she was interested when you guys hung out for a few hours but cool and friendly doesn't equal sex or dating. Being sexual does.
I've also heard this viewpoint as well. Maybe she was hoping I'd try something when I was with her, and when I didn't deliver she gave up on me?

Just another lesson learned.
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She had to get her fix from someone. And she's getting some dik elsewhere.
I'd be surprised if she wasn't. But out of all the guys after her, it's odd that she wanted to spend time with me. But ArcBound pretty much covered that reason.

BTW why did you bold and make my comment big? And your fallowing comment is random. I deleted her number and facebook last week and never plan on talking to her again.
 

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Maxtro said:
So why do they do this?

I'm still mulling over my most recent girl.

She ignores my texts for about a week. Then she asks me out. We hang out for a few hours and she's really cool and friendly. I start to get the idea that she may be interested. A couple of days later and she's back to ignoring me.

It's like she's two different people. One who likes me when I'm with her. And one who wants nothing to do with me when I'm not around her. Of course I've nexted her but the whole thing confused me.
Some women have what I call "orbits". There are inner orbits and outer orbits and some orbits in between. You will be placed in one of these orbits according to how useful she perceives you to be . A guy who have been placed in an outer orbit will never have sex with her, but will hear from her occasionally to keep the gravitational pull. It is all about her need for attention and control.
A guy who has her intense emotional attention will be in her INNER orbit and will "land" on her planet as often as he wishes.
A guy in an outer orbit will occasionally "catch up " with her at Starbucks during which she will play, giggle and flirt to keep him circling.

Gentlemen, do not play this game. You will rarely move from outer orbit to inner orbit.

A better plan is to get a few female circling planets of your own and have them orbit you.
 
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Maxtro said:
Is this for real? That's crazy. Then again this is a woman we're talking about and they aren't know for being logical.

But out of all the guys after her, it's odd that she wanted to spend time with me. But ArcBound pretty much covered that reason.

BTW why did you bold and make my comment big? And your fallowing comment is random. I deleted her number and facebook last week and never plan on talking to her again.
That top paragraph is dead on.

That middle paragraph shows that women choose and they have lots of options. ArcBound made a great point about being sexual. Remember to do this when you've got a woman by you and she gives you an iota of interest.

That bottom paragraph, I made your sentence bold and big to show you that you made a very smart move. You cut a girl loose and she wasn't that into you. She's not hurt at all. Your princess is in another castle, you just gotta find her.

Overall, you seem like me, relying on luck most of the time to meet chicks. This overpopulation of beta males is not helping at all. But as long as you have tough skin and a backbone, you'll have a better chance of getting a girl, and not becoming George Sodini.

You should also understand what jophil said. I'm filing that under "Women and attention." My file cabinet is growing nicely.
 

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Good stuff in this thread. It's good to know that even when things don't work out with a chick there is still a lesson to be learned.

BTW I was under the impression that orbiters where guys that were always around her while clearly being in the friendzone. But I guess certain orbiters can be further away and take longer to come around. And no, I would not have settled for being an orbiter.

I meet chicks at school and there are plenty of them. Though actually getting them to spend any time with me is luck. And even then I don't know if she's with me because she likes me or wants to be a friend.

I guess low interest is better then no interest.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I hate texting, in terms of arranging dates and idle conversation, so I call instead.

For me talking on the phone is so much better at building familiarity, and that builds comfort. Plus texts are harder to word, whereas talking on the phone can convey confidence and humour so much more easily than a text.

Obviously if she doesnt pick up, then she doesnt pick up. Its good to time them though, for instance dont call when she's likely to be at work,asleep etc.

Keep it to calling, texting is useless until you've got to know them better in my opinion.
 

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I make one attempt. If she never responds, then I don't try again, I just move on. I don't care how badly I want to get laid, I'm not letting a woman think she's got the power.
 

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hi,
there is this girl that always replies to my text messages within 30 seconds. Yet she does this to everyone because she always has her phone with her. She had sent me a sexual text that gave the impression of masturbating but at the end it said that it was praying instead. This may have sparked from a assignment when i wrote cumexpense instead of cumulative expense in which she could not stop laughing.

Does it mean anything if she sends this kind of text or am i reading into it too much?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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