Eye contact

[Die Hard]

I was in the club with a friend, there was a girl in front of us. He opened her, made a little remark, she responded to it, he said something back and then she gave him a smile that was very clearly showing she was interested. After that he froze up, didn't know what to say anymore. So after those two three lines of conversation, she just turned to her girlfriends again. Later on, the girlfriends moved to another spot but she stayed, standing/dancing closeby to us. There might've been one or two persons between her and us, but she stayed in our vicinity. She stayed there for a long time, even went to the toilet and still returned to the same spot. She wouldn't go to her friends but stayed in front of us, all alone. All the while she was playing with her hair, touching the strings of her dress, her body language telling "someone" to make a move on her... Obviously, my friend was that "someone" but he told me she wouldn't make eye contact with him, so he was sure she was interested in some other guy in the vicinity. I disagreed with that, the smile she gave him earlier was very meaningful, it was a very clear sign of interest. Besides, her body was turned exactly towards him 95% of the time. I told him to start conversation with her again but he told me he wouldn't make a move until she responded to his attempts at eye contact. She never did..later on she went to her friends and we never saw her again. He messed up... Then again, she was very hot so I can understand why he was looking for extra confirmation before making a move. To be honest, I've been in the same position many times: you just can't believe that such a hot babe is really interested in YOU, so you look for extra confirmation...

Not much to learn from all this. You just be a man and start conversation with her, or you don't. He didn't and failed... But as we walked home and discussed the whole thing, he kept asking me "If she was really interested in me and if she really decided to stay alone on that spot alone without going to her friends...for ME. Then why the f*ck didn't she answer the many attempts I made at eye contact? I tried numerous times and she just wouldn't answer it!" To be honest, I couldn't answer his question and have been thinking about it.. I have experienced it myself many times too, you know? A girl doesn't respond to eye contact at all but when you talk to her, she turns out to be very interested in you after all. So why do they do that? Is it simply shyness? Or is it a test, denying you the obvious confirmation that eye contact (often accompanied with a smile) is and therefor putting you in a situation where you have to approach without being totally sure she likes you... AFC's like my friend don't have the guts to approach hot babes without confirmation. The hot babes know this, so they don't give strong signals of interest, which results in only the "real men" (who are not afraid to get blown off) approaching them. I think that explains it, but I'd like to know what you guys think about this. I mean, shyness doesn't seem to fit, because even if a girl is shy, she wouldn't ignore your attempts at eye contact so strongly. She would answer it at least one or a few times, right? And when I think of the times this situation happened to myself, it were almost always hot babes.

Thoughts?

 

[Falcon25]

Various reasons; Girl could be shy, she may not be interested or attracted, she may play hard to get, test, etc.

ONE THING IS FOR SURE;

NEVER LOOK AWAY FIRST. ALWAYS EITHER LOOK PAST HER OR WAIT TILL SHE LOOKS AWAY. NEVER LOOK DOWN. IT'S GIVING HER POWER.

Just approach them. Sometimes chicks are not that obvious. But one thing is for sure, if Bradd Pitt kinda looking guy walked in the room, she will never stop looking at you.

 

[Falcon25]

Oh, and eye contact don't mean **** if you don't smile. Babes love guys who have a nice smile. It brightens her day even if she is not single, carpet muncher, feminist, whatever. They love guys who smile. Eye contact don't mean divk without a smile.

 

[Falcon25]

Oh, and your friend is a dumb ass. That girl was into him. I would have grabbed her arm and said "come dance with me". If she said no, so what? Tell your friend to stop being a divkhead and start being bold and just crazy. Just say fuvk it to the world and start talking to chicks, especially ones that smile.

 

[jophil28]

I was in the club with a friend, there was a girl in front of us. He opened her, made a little remark, she responded to it, he said something back and then she gave him a smile that was very clearly showing she was interested.

She stayed there for a long time, even went to the toilet and still returned to the same spot. She wouldn't go to her friends but stayed in front of us, all alone. All the while she was playing with her hair, touching the strings of her dress, her body language telling "someone" to make a move on her...
Thoughts?

I bet that she believed that she 'played her part' in the seduction 'dance', and I also would bet that she is bewildered about why your friend did not make his move.
She sent him IOI's in that first convo and then she did the bloody obvious - she 'positioned' herself in a way that invited an approach. She made herself available... all the while sending him buying signals..

She transmitted strong signals - too bad your buddy's receiver is broken.

 

[Die Hard]

True, Falcon.. Looking away is bad, the same goes for the opposite: staring (which is what my friend did). By the way, I really love to look past a girl when we make eye contact. It will make her interested and she'll look for eye contact again, to see whether it was just a coincidence that your eyes met or not . Of course, after one or two times looking past her, you have to keep eye contact the next time and smile, haha.

Jophil, I think you're spot on about her thinking she did her part after the little convo they had. I didn't mention this in my earlier post but she was quite the HB. I'd give her an 8.5 for her looks but she was also very confident and she had an aura of "I'm only interested in the absolute alpha male". That's why I'm quite sure that her refusal to answer my friend's eye contact was very deliberate: She was qualifying him by doing so. She wanted him to make a bold move, go in for the kill. Most average guys won't do that on a confident HB8.5 not without more confirmation than the smile she threw at him in their convo. My friend was looking for confirmation, he was afraid to approach her and needed her to answer his eye contact. In doing so, he disqualified himself to her. It told her he didn't have the balls to just approach her... I'm sure she knew he would approach her the minute she'd give him the look...but she wanted a challenge, not a guy who is too afraid to walk up to her without getting that look from her.

Something else happened, which was quite interesting and funny to me. At one point, not so long after their convo, she was still standing in front of us with her back towards us (so before she turned towards him and started playing with her hair and sh*t.) and my pal made a loud remark about her to me. He did it intentionally, he wanted her to hear it, it was an attempt of him to make contact. He said something like: "This is a really goodlooking girl, don't you agree?" I thought that remark was very AFC of him and even though I wasn't pursuing her, I didn't want her to think I was AFC as well, so I just kept silent and didn't reply to him at all haha. But the funny thing is that she directly answered his remark by walking away. Literally one second after his remark, she walked away. Later, she returned and took position with her body turned towards him and started sending signals, playing with her hair and sh*t, so she was still interested in him. I think she was really begging him to 'conquer her'... The moment she walked away, she was trying to tell him: "Dude, I think you're really attractive and if you act alpha I'm all yours, but THIS is NOT being alpha!! You don't tell me how beautiful I am, you wuss!! So I'm gonna walk away now, hopefully you get the message, moron!" Then when she came back and started sending signals, she was giving him another chance, hoping her earlier action got the message through: "Conquer me! Don't put me on a pedestal!". But he blew it by desperately looking for eye contact and thereby showing his AFC'ness once again... Anyway, I found it really interesting/funny to see her send him this message with her actions!

By the way, I was already interested in her before my pal started to talk with her but once he did I felt she was his 'project' so I didn't approach her. That's MY lesson out of the whole situation, haha: Follow the goddamm 3 second rule!!