Golden Arms
Master Don Juan
It's made its way over to England too ?
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
experiments and games
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Iqqimus, Iqqimus,
If you really want to impress me, try to learn about the men that you actually care about.
But, I confess, I've done similar exercises in the past, and still do. It is fun, and I'm pretty careful to not hurt anyones feelings.
Remember, with great power comes great responsibility.
If you really want to impress me, try to learn about the men that you actually care about.
But, I confess, I've done similar exercises in the past, and still do. It is fun, and I'm pretty careful to not hurt anyones feelings.
Remember, with great power comes great responsibility.
Golden Arms
Master Don Juan
Eileen - really ? nice to see you haven't lost the accent
You know what else is a fun experiment ? Smoking crack
You know what else is a fun experiment ? Smoking crack
iqqi
Master Don Juan
this is so fuuuun!
playa just called. it is the 2nd day after he left a message the night i gave him my number (which i didn't return).
it is fun knowing that he wrestled with the question of how soon to call, added with the fact i never returned his call. this observing sh!t is so fun and interesting. then i just watched the phone ring, knowing he was hoping i'd pick up, then knowing he had to wrestle with the idea of leaving a message (he did), and wondering if i'd call back this time.
mwahahhahhahha!
now he is squirming, but pretending to himself that he is not! he is questioning himself, like "she seemed hesitant to give me me her number, damn, she probaly didn't want to. i KNOW she aint gonna just diss me! is she?"
mwahahahahhaa!
playa just called. it is the 2nd day after he left a message the night i gave him my number (which i didn't return).
it is fun knowing that he wrestled with the question of how soon to call, added with the fact i never returned his call. this observing sh!t is so fun and interesting. then i just watched the phone ring, knowing he was hoping i'd pick up, then knowing he had to wrestle with the idea of leaving a message (he did), and wondering if i'd call back this time.
mwahahhahhahha!
now he is squirming, but pretending to himself that he is not! he is questioning himself, like "she seemed hesitant to give me me her number, damn, she probaly didn't want to. i KNOW she aint gonna just diss me! is she?"
mwahahahahhaa!
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Paid Laid & Made
Senior Don Juan
Dang girl your sick ... I LUV IT. Eileen ... I don't mind you having a cold, I'll take care of you 
PS: I lost my teddy bear want to sleep with me tonight?
PS: I lost my teddy bear want to sleep with me tonight?
iqqi
Master Don Juan
so i called him back after a couple of hours. he is at the mall passing out fliers for his band's show. all he talked about was his band. i mentioned a birthday party i was having next week, his immediate response was to tell me about a concert he is having the day before. in case my friends and i are looking for something to do.
then he said he'd call me back in a few hours.
um...
my previous diagnosis was correct. he has a super huge ego. used to groupie chics, relies on the popularity of his band to create IL.
so i'm not going to any of his concerts (for atleast a month), and i may not answer the phone when he calls back. i don't want to hear anymore about his damn band!
then he said he'd call me back in a few hours.
um...
my previous diagnosis was correct. he has a super huge ego. used to groupie chics, relies on the popularity of his band to create IL.
so i'm not going to any of his concerts (for atleast a month), and i may not answer the phone when he calls back. i don't want to hear anymore about his damn band!
Paid Laid & Made
Senior Don Juan
LOL, your project starting off nicely, I can see. Very happy that he atleast seems to know semi what to do. Him not falling in your little girly traps and making it uber difficult for you seriously amuses me.
iqqi
Master Don Juan
when he called back i answered right away,
hahahahahahhahahah! (at myself).
i have no self discipline! actually, i think it is because i am all alone at work, dying of boredom.
he said he was on my side of town, but i acted like i was busy reading. (didn't tell him i was at work)
we may be hooking up tonight when i get off.
hahahahahahhaha!
well, hell, gotta give him a glimpse of the goods, right?
hahahahahahhahahah! (at myself).
i have no self discipline! actually, i think it is because i am all alone at work, dying of boredom.
he said he was on my side of town, but i acted like i was busy reading. (didn't tell him i was at work)
we may be hooking up tonight when i get off.
hahahahahahhaha!
well, hell, gotta give him a glimpse of the goods, right?
Paid Laid & Made
Senior Don Juan
$hit, f him ... I want to see the goods ... erm ... I mean hope everything works out FOR HIM!
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Listen,
women playing games with guys emotions isnt a new concept, I actually think women are more skilled at this then guys
Most guys arent in tune with the emotions of women, so they hurt their feelings unknowingly.
Yea , Play your games, that really sets you apart from other women.
but in the end, this is not self improvement, its about learning to play a "game" that you really dont want to play and that you wont "win"
I have no clue what your intention is of "playing guys" or trying to hurt them, most likely its what all the guys have been saying on here, you are an Attention Hore, and are resorting to any kind of human defiling you can just to raise a guys IL
classy
women playing games with guys emotions isnt a new concept, I actually think women are more skilled at this then guys
Most guys arent in tune with the emotions of women, so they hurt their feelings unknowingly.
Yea , Play your games, that really sets you apart from other women.
but in the end, this is not self improvement, its about learning to play a "game" that you really dont want to play and that you wont "win"
I have no clue what your intention is of "playing guys" or trying to hurt them, most likely its what all the guys have been saying on here, you are an Attention Hore, and are resorting to any kind of human defiling you can just to raise a guys IL
classy
iqqi
Master Don Juan
you're completely right, manoman. it is childish and immature.
but learning is fundamental.
but learning is fundamental.
MacdaddyJr
Don Juan
Paid, Laid & Made, I heard she liked to be doubled teamed. Whaddyasay...we...ehem...BWHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA
(JUST KIDDING icky)
(JUST KIDDING icky)
Paid Laid & Made
Senior Don Juan
Psssshhh ... I get first dips. I never have sloppy seconds
PuertoRican_Lover
Banned
Iqqi - I know you like guys giving you attention but what kind of attention are you getting and why exactly are they giving it to you? The last post I made was to give you insight and not to flame you. Are the guys chasing you because they desire to be with you for who you are or are they chasing you to get a piece of what you have? This is a very important distinction, because guys will you use very different tactics depending on their motivation and the outcome they wish to attain!
So you see , your experiment is not really an experiment because it is not based on a solid foundation of what it is you are actually trying to learn. What is your hypothesis? Your expected outcome is exactly what - to play with his emotions? How do you know that he has any emotions for you? If he was a DJ, he would not have any emotions for you rather he would be trying to have you have emotions for him. This experiment could be turned back on you.
Also, you are artificially influencing the results of the outcome of this so-called 'experiment' because you are purposely predicating your actions based on your audience on the sosuave board, and you would probably do things differently if you didn't have to report the results.
He is probably chasing 5 girls at the moment so how do you know the emotions he is having is solely based on your antics and not wiith his single life of chasing women, in general.
You provide no specifics on exactly what kind of emotions you are trying to provoke? Jealously, love, fear, hatred, pity, anxiety, etc...
So your statement, "for the sake of science" is severely flawed and should read, "for the sake of entertaining a few on sosuave".
So you see , your experiment is not really an experiment because it is not based on a solid foundation of what it is you are actually trying to learn. What is your hypothesis? Your expected outcome is exactly what - to play with his emotions? How do you know that he has any emotions for you? If he was a DJ, he would not have any emotions for you rather he would be trying to have you have emotions for him. This experiment could be turned back on you.
Also, you are artificially influencing the results of the outcome of this so-called 'experiment' because you are purposely predicating your actions based on your audience on the sosuave board, and you would probably do things differently if you didn't have to report the results.
He is probably chasing 5 girls at the moment so how do you know the emotions he is having is solely based on your antics and not wiith his single life of chasing women, in general.
You provide no specifics on exactly what kind of emotions you are trying to provoke? Jealously, love, fear, hatred, pity, anxiety, etc...
So your statement, "for the sake of science" is severely flawed and should read, "for the sake of entertaining a few on sosuave".
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Paid Laid & Made
Senior Don Juan
WoW, nicely done. But thinking about ... he is right. We need more info, it does sound flawed. ( IT ALREADY DID FROM THE START )
iqqi
Master Don Juan
i'm losing my favorite game...
"this is not a case of lust, you see / it's not a matter of you versus of me"
on the other hand, i'll be the first to admit i often end up attracted to the slick, intelligent player type, who take advantage of my hidden, trusting nature. i act very aloof and tough on the outside, and it is an effective deterrant most times. but once i get to know a cat, my nature is trusting and even naive.
having said that, there is even another more complex layer to this onion of a situation. first i will state, when i say "these guys" i am not talking about all players, just the type of player i seem drawn to. that is an important distinction. most player wanabes are easy and idiotic.
these cats i am attracted to, they are players in a sense. it is the fact that they are good looking, hard to really catch, and that is me as well. i just have too much integrity to cheat and mislead.
and these guys usually are very interesting as i get to know them. they tend to be good peoples, just wary of commitment and hidden motives. and i have never been played, BTW. i always take a piece of them when it is over, if you know what i mean.
so i guess what is really going on here is i am not good at people coming in and out of my life. this is basically an experiment to try and change my mind. i want to be able to enjoy these indivuals i meet and grow to love, and not be devestated when i have to let them go. (it is usually me who walks away from the situation, after the player has fcuked up somehow).
i am trying to learn to love, and let go.
and at the same time, i am trying new things. i am a very honest person, very free spirited. so i do what i want. this tends to mean i can get caught up easily in another, because i never play games. if i want to see a guy, i see him. if i like him, i let him know. which leads many times to me being taken for granted, and a tragic ending, as i don't play around.
so i thought that i'd try things most girls do, just to see what happens. it is not to intentionally hurt anyone, although i am only being honest when i say it is manipulative and playing with emotions. these cats are going to be fine, though, if you are concerned with their well being. i will end up loving who they are as a person, knowing me. i can't go too far romatically with anyone i don't really like, anyways.
so it is about trying new things, just to see what i can see. ya know?
then rico, he doesn't even believe a girl like me would be interested in a guy like him.
so i have a very interesting hand of cards right now. it is a matter of manipulation.
i am just trying to see what i can see. as to what emotions i am trying to provoke, i am just observing which ones appear after which actions on my part. see?
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and just to update
i went out with playarappaboy last night, and lo and behold i broke a bunch of my experiment rules, and i really like him! doh!
1. said i wasn't going to give him any ego'stroking attention about his group. not only did i ask to hear a song, i really liked the song ALOT, plus he surprised me by also singing on the track and he has a beautiful voice. i was impressed. and i told him! doh! (that is the real me)
2. i went to his house. this is something i just don't do period with a guy, especially the first time we hang out. doh!
3. i like him! alot! doh! i'm losing my favorite game...
at least i have my first, and very anticipated, first date with rico tonight. gotta keep the balls in the air!
"this is not a case of lust, you see / it's not a matter of you versus of me"
i wasn't offended, PRL, i know that men chase pvssy. i have a very male-shaped mind, i know what is oftentimes up. but to tell you the truth, the way i hold myself, most men know better than to even come at me, especially if they are full of sh!t.
on the other hand, i'll be the first to admit i often end up attracted to the slick, intelligent player type, who take advantage of my hidden, trusting nature. i act very aloof and tough on the outside, and it is an effective deterrant most times. but once i get to know a cat, my nature is trusting and even naive.
having said that, there is even another more complex layer to this onion of a situation. first i will state, when i say "these guys" i am not talking about all players, just the type of player i seem drawn to. that is an important distinction. most player wanabes are easy and idiotic.
these cats i am attracted to, they are players in a sense. it is the fact that they are good looking, hard to really catch, and that is me as well. i just have too much integrity to cheat and mislead.
and these guys usually are very interesting as i get to know them. they tend to be good peoples, just wary of commitment and hidden motives. and i have never been played, BTW. i always take a piece of them when it is over, if you know what i mean.
so i guess what is really going on here is i am not good at people coming in and out of my life. this is basically an experiment to try and change my mind. i want to be able to enjoy these indivuals i meet and grow to love, and not be devestated when i have to let them go. (it is usually me who walks away from the situation, after the player has fcuked up somehow).
i am trying to learn to love, and let go.
and at the same time, i am trying new things. i am a very honest person, very free spirited. so i do what i want. this tends to mean i can get caught up easily in another, because i never play games. if i want to see a guy, i see him. if i like him, i let him know. which leads many times to me being taken for granted, and a tragic ending, as i don't play around.
so i thought that i'd try things most girls do, just to see what happens. it is not to intentionally hurt anyone, although i am only being honest when i say it is manipulative and playing with emotions. these cats are going to be fine, though, if you are concerned with their well being. i will end up loving who they are as a person, knowing me. i can't go too far romatically with anyone i don't really like, anyways.
so it is about trying new things, just to see what i can see. ya know?
it is just to see...and your right, the only hypothesis is to see how my free spirited, honest approach compares to the more manipulative, toying game most chics (*and guys) run.
this is the funnest part of all! (though i am sure this experiment will ensnare me as well). i know that the two cats on my roster now are intrigued by me. Playarappaboy has been infatuated and curious for months. it went from typical "she's cute, i wanna hit that" based comments, which i completely dissed, to him being infatuated and intimidated to even approach.
then rico, he doesn't even believe a girl like me would be interested in a guy like him.
so i have a very interesting hand of cards right now. it is a matter of manipulation.
not so! this board is NOT on my mind when i leave it! it is honestly just where i sort out ideas and thoughts. so i am kind of using you guys! but you in turn get access to my mind.
one of the reasons i am so ****y is because of the difference in the way men talk to me, see me, and treat me in contrast with most women (which in turn is because of the way i hold myself). whatever any other factors may be, the truth is i am not like the women they are used to. so i am not worried about "other women" period.
i am just trying to see what i can see. as to what emotions i am trying to provoke, i am just observing which ones appear after which actions on my part. see?
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and just to update
i went out with playarappaboy last night, and lo and behold i broke a bunch of my experiment rules, and i really like him! doh!
1. said i wasn't going to give him any ego'stroking attention about his group. not only did i ask to hear a song, i really liked the song ALOT, plus he surprised me by also singing on the track and he has a beautiful voice. i was impressed. and i told him! doh! (that is the real me)
2. i went to his house. this is something i just don't do period with a guy, especially the first time we hang out. doh!
3. i like him! alot! doh! i'm losing my favorite game...
at least i have my first, and very anticipated, first date with rico tonight. gotta keep the balls in the air!
iqqi
Master Don Juan
this was an interesting statement. please go on....
LouieVaton Don
Senior Don Juan
I just have to say that I dont think its wrong and it is a good learning experience.Its all in how you look at it. Just be glad it wouldnt be you.
MysteryWoman
Master Don Juan
Is this guy famous? If so can you give me a few hints about who he is and what type of music he plays?
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.