"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Experiment: Not going to call or text any girls this week...

TheMaestro87

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I decided earlier tonight that I'm not going to call or text any of "the" girls for the next week (until Monday). Friend of mine and I decided to wager on how far I get. If I make it past Thursday, she'll treat me to Pita Pit, if not, I do the same for her.

Here are the girls...

Kate
Cat
Kelly
Lauren
Shannon
Patricia
Nikki
Amena

Anyways, exceptions...

- I'm supposed to meet up with Shannon tomorrow, call her after 2. This would be the only time I call her this week.
- If a girl calls and leaves a voicemail or calls twice without me responding.
- If a girl texts me with a question meriting a response (not "how is your day going?"), I wait at least 2 hours before responding.

Idea to this is for my own self control. It'll also be good to see who actually tries to contact me.

Let me know what you guys think about this stuff. For the record, I've slept with 2 of the 8, made out with another 2 and the other 4 are potentials for the near future.

TheMaestro87

Let's see what happens.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I think you already know you want women to chase you more so than the other way around. In my mind, the only relationships worth havng are the ones where the woman chases the man. The other way around just isn't as enoyable for long in my perspective.

On one extreme you have guys who chase every woman in a 10 mile radius, on the other you have guys that refuse to talk a woman unless she calls or approaches him.

I like to be somewhere in the middle. I will pursue women with the intent of allowing and even baiting them chase me. However, once I have laid the pipe (or several times if they are amazing) they have to start chasing me or I will move my time to someone who does. In my case, free time to spend with quality women is quite limited, so I need tomake sure I am with someone who appreciates my time to the maximum.

I think you should have sex with all of them as soon as possible and let a natural selection of who cases you decide who stays, but to each his own.
 

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"I think you should have sex with all of them as soon as possible"

I agree completely, lol.

I really should talk to you more about this stuff. I agree about getting the woman to chase you, but I have trouble efficiently baiting them into it even though I (clearly) get high levels of attraction from multiple women. I am going to see who actually cares enough to call or text me over the next week. The nice thing is I'm making a trip to Santa Barbara this upcoming weekend so it's not like I'm going to be looking to get these girls to a party with me.
 

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Maestro, I made a rather rambling and unedited post explaining my theoretical position on chasing and some of how it works. Check that out, ignore the gramatical errors, and see if there is anything in there that might spark some ideas for you.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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DAY 1

Didn't have any problems today. Didn't have the urge or reason to call or text any of the girls. One of the reasons I chose this week to do this is because I'm not going to be in town for the weekend and I'm home for a day right now from college so there will not be any reason for me to call these girls. I'm hoping by starting with an easy week, it makes it easier in the future to not call the girls unless necessary.

Anyways, none of them called me today. I sent Shannon a text (she was the planned exception for today). I asked if we were still on for 2 pm lunch. She texted back asking if later tonight would work. I was purposely vague, saying that I'd be busy until about 9 even though I'd probably be on my way home by then. She sends back a text asking if tomorrow at 1 30 pm works. I never responded. The success of it was that I just got home, got on here and got on AIM (which I do occassionally but nowhere near as often as before). I used to talk to Shannon all the time on AIM but I was always the one trying to talk to her (this was last year, very AFCish, though I was C&F). Tonight she instantly IMs me when I sign on. Not sure if it's a coincidence but it seemed to me like she was trying for my attention after I never responded to her question.

More to come.
 

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It's not coicidence, it drives girls crazy when you don't reply to their texts. Also i'd stay off of AIM if i were you, it kinda defeats the object of the experiement since you're still available when you're online - probably moreso.
 

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LOL what an experiment. I often go months without texting or calling girls :p Then again I don't know any numbers so that may have something to do with it :whistle:
 

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Didn't I just read a thread about you liking your LTR, maxtro?

I'll probably try to stay off AIM as well, or just ignore girls when they IM me (I probably need to stay on for poker). Anyways, I'll have my day two post at the end of the day.
 

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:crackup: Me, in a LTR ROFL!! :crackup:

The only time I mention LTR is when I post threads asking how to get girls that are in LTRs.

Keep up your test and don't mind me. I just jump in random threads with a bad joke at my expense every now and then.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Oops, sorry, thought you started one of the threads when you just responded to it. My bad.

Here's a question for you guys. I'm not used to being the "flake" for stuff with girls. Let's say Shannon, for example, calls me for lunch today. If I ignore her call, which I plan to do. And don't call back (or even if I do), what do I say to her when I talk to her next? I don't think I should apologise...
 

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Day 2

Boring. Was home, took a day off college to surprise my mom for her birthday. Took Dav22's advice and stayed offline (when I was online, no IMing with any of the girls, though I think I only have one of their screen names because I find AIM counterproductive to gaming). None of the girls called or texted me, which I don't find to be much of a surprise. To be honest, I don't think this is going to have that big an effect on them but maybe by like Friday they'll wonder why I haven't called.
 

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good thread..im doing the same thing with a girl right now...
I once read an article on insinuation where if you give someone a hint of something they will expand on it based on their own views of what they hope for...have you ever known a girl who would send you an old text message or call you and hang up the split second it starts to ring??? this **** used to drive me crazy before i learned about it...
why don't you try calling one and hanging up right away to see if she calls back...as an addded part of the experiment...

Oh and you don't need an excuse to not have called...you were busy with stuff...adds a little mystery
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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thats the point...

she will hear a split second ring and see your missed call...if she doesn't call you back then it could be for a million reasons,maybee she knows this game?, but if she does then she wanted to talk and you gave her an excuse! :)

Don't answer though! I would wait awhile (not really sure how long) and call her back.
If she asks about it later just change the subject/frame steal and if there is any reall pressure about why you called her just say, "someone must have been messing with my phone"

damn this sounds fun im gonna try it later.. lol
 

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This sounds like a good idea and all, but the problem is, what if she's not at her phone? Then it looks like I called trying to reach, not by some mistake or something. It would completely defeat the purpose of this because I'm still conveying interest if even on accident.
 

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TheMaestro87 said:
I decided earlier tonight that I'm not going to call or text any of "the" girls for the next week (until Monday). Friend of mine and I decided to wager on how far I get. If I make it past Thursday, she'll treat me to Pita Pit, if not, I do the same for her.

Here are the girls...

Kate
Cat
Kelly
Lauren
Shannon
Patricia
Nikki
Amena
Maestro,

How is your life so empty that you can afford to spend time with this many girls? I know it sounds cool in principle but, it doesn't work if you have a busy life. I have enough problems trying to fit 1 or 2 girls into my weekly schedule... and they're definitely my last priority.
 

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lol maybee but don't take my advice i just have a boring ass job and way too much free time between 7-3.

I would use it on a throw away girl and lets be honest, for how long in a day is anyone away from their cell-especially a girl?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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