"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

excuses for avoiding taking her dinner?

pete101

Master Don Juan
Joined
Mar 21, 2006
Messages
1,030
Reaction score
8
You guys got any good excuses I can use to avoid taking HBs to dinner when they bring it up for a third date etc?

I've been burnt twice now, so no more dinners before sex.

I just don't know how to weasel out of dinner, if I suggest we cook dinner together she accuses me of inviting myself over.

How do I answer: 'why don't you want to go to dinner?' If I say 'ok if you're buying!' With some girls it turns them off you as they expect the man to pay esp when the bill comes.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

Read more...

Albatross953

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 5, 2011
Messages
684
Reaction score
100
Age
54
Location
ontario
I use the lets cook dinner all the time..if they're attracted and you're casual enough I have great luck with it. Instigate..isolate..escalate.
 

skinnyguy

Master Don Juan
Joined
Sep 2, 2013
Messages
3,422
Reaction score
1,235
Albatross953 said:
I use the lets cook dinner all the time..if they're attracted and you're casual enough I have great luck with it. Instigate..isolate..escalate.
I agree with this. I would invite her back to your place. If she says no, just next her.
 

Harry Wilmington

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 19, 2012
Messages
1,196
Reaction score
204
The real question is, why are you letting HER determine what you guys are doing for dates in the first place? You're the GUY, remember? You're supposed to take the lead and already have ideas for things you two can do together so you're not relying on her to come up with stuff for those first few dates.

For me, date 1 is usually coffee shop/bookstore. So the "sit down and talk" date is already taken out of the way, and I spent less than 10 bucks. Then everything else is an activity date - bowling, hiking, sometimes a movie.

The other question is, why are you opposed to doing dinner? No one said you have to go anywhere expensive - I've taken girls to Chili's, various inexpensive Mexican restaurants... sometimes when you're out, you just get hungry and she happens to be with you. So, what's the big deal? It's not about the dinner, it's about what you're taking her out to dinner for - you're not doing it because you want sex first, but these girls aren't sexing you anyway, which means dinner isn't the real issue - it's the pressure they feel from YOU to have sex with them. Once you are able to take them out in a way where they don't feel pressured to have sex with you... they'll start having sex with you.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

Read more...

PlayHer Man

Banned
Joined
Dec 22, 2012
Messages
1,695
Reaction score
190
Location
East Coast USA
You should already be f*cking her by the third date.

If you haven't f*ck her by this point.. then you should make her come to your place to cook and watch a movie for the third date. Don't let women drag you around date, after date. Sh!t or get off the pot. If she declines coming over then she doesn't want your d!ck very badly. Move on.

As far as "excuses" go.. you don't need any. She is not an authority figure.. you don't have to explain yourself to her.

Either she wants to follow your lead or she doesn't.

Also.. spine plates.
 

nismo-4

Moderator
Joined
Jan 31, 2005
Messages
4,438
Reaction score
1,142
Location
From New Orleans, Louisiana to Atlanta, Georgia!!!
Your suggestion didn't work because she is not sexually attracted to you! She always wants to go out, but not at your place or hers? Big red flag dude. Stop dancing to her tune. If she won't dance to yours, drop her ass. But this girl is viewing you as a beta friend anyway.

Case closed.
 
Top