"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Ex Tells Me She's Dating

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This isn't another get her back question. It's as a learning experience to see what I did wrong and make my life better.

Long Term Relationship of a little over 2 years. Things started going bad both in my life, hers and in how we related. One night when she was being a total ***** I told her to leave and not come back. 5 minutes later she is sending me text messages saying how she needed help and that she didn't know what she was doing. She kept calling me and texting weird things but I didn't reply and then it seemed like a suicidal text message. So stupid me, I went to check on her. Told her to stay the night at my place because I was worried about what she'd said.

She said that she was not suicidal, just depressed. I let her sleep in my bed and I slept on the couch. I tried to convince her over the next few days to speak with her parents and friends about it. But somehow I stayed in the relationship because of this cry for help, real or not.

Then a month later we have another huge argument and she was begging me not to leave. And as I was leaving she asked what we were going to do, and I said we should break up. She started saying how much she loved me and so on but I left anyways. Next day she invites me to dinner to discuss the breakup. We pretty much just argue. And then she tries to discuss with me the next day. But I don't talk to her. I tell her by text that we will have nothing to do with one another, as she kept texting me over and over. Then she keeps trying to call me, but ends up texting me since I don't answer the calls. She says that she needs me in her life and that it's unfair for me to not talk to her. I respond, stupid of me.

I see her a couple days later and i don't want to talk to her. She is crying and just follows me down the street. I shouldn't have let her in my house, but I do and we're talking about the breakup again. Same thing next day. But I end up suggesting that we'd have to work on things if we were going to have a relationship. After a few conversations she then says that we should go through with the break.

I was shocked, dumbfounded. I was angry. I couldn't believe she would turn the breakup around like that. I said some hateful things, and she did to me. But afterwards she kept insisting that we would have to remain friends, as she cared about me so much.

I kept contact to a minimum and tried to be polite whenever I saw her. But we ended up fighting a few times. After close to a month I decide to write a hand written letter to apologize for the things I had done wrong in the relationship. I did it to retain my integrity and to move into no contact. She emailed me the next day saying how thoughtful the letter was and how she hoped we could spend time together soon. I did not respond. A week or two later she stops by my place and gives me a letter, and hugs me. Very clearly dressed up and wearing perfume. The letter says how amazing I am and how much she loved me. And says how she hopes we can continue to spend time together in the future. I wrote her a response which I should not have done.

Over the next month or so I only contact her when she contacts me. And it's fairly regularly both email and text. I try to keep it short but polite. Same when I see her in person. She would hug me and one time ran her hand down my chest as we hugged. Other times she would touch my arm when we parted ways. This seemed more friendly than anything else.

It's been just over three months and i had a feeling she may show up at a bar where my friends band was playing, not her friends. And what do you know she shows up with two guys. She waves to me excitedly when she sees me and I just nod. She leaves the guys and goes to watch a band by herself. Then after the set she walks by me where I'm talking with some friends. She's clearly trying to get my attention but I stick to the conversation. She walks by again and touches my arm, 'Hey how are you?' I say 'Good how are you?' and then return to the conversation with my friends.

After the next band, she comes up to me and I'm not talking to anyone so i have to carry the conversation longer. Talking about the bands then out of nowhere she says how she was at a basketball game with these guys. How her friend told her to hang out with these guys and how she's been going to basketball games with them. And how after the game she suggested they come to see these bands. I didn't ask anything about the guys at all, never asked. Just said, 'Oh you like basketball now?' Same time last year I was taking her to see games. She never really liked it though. I was trying to be polite but let off that I had more important people to talk to.

After the last band she was standing by the guys for once and laughing so loud you could hear her across the bar. Clearly exaggerated laugh. I thought she's either trying to get to me or letting the guy know she really wants to **** him. She's standing by the door with them, and I have to leave to get up early next morning. So I just tell my friends they played a great show and walked out the door without looking at my ex. Was this the right way to play things?

Why was she doing this? To make me angry or just to show she is moving on? It's pretty stupid. And if she's sleeping with guys a few months after a breakup it just adds to her ****tiness list, and how I can do much better than her.

I have been working out and building my own business. So single life is pretty good. Everyone notices the weight loss and added muscle, and my ex noticed too which was funny. Any tips, advice?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Why was she doing this?
Because she can that's why.

To make me angry or just to show she is moving on?
The rationale behind what she is doing should not matter, if you have no intentions on getting back with her which you should not have, but you do.


. And if she's sleeping with guys a few months after a breakup it just adds to her ****tiness list, and how I can do much better than her.
If I broke up with my finacee tomorrow, i would be in someone's bed the next day if possible. There is nothing ****ty bout it, she isn't yours anymore. grow up. This isn't dawson's creek, she doesn't owe you a no sex time frame after you have dated her. she is free to do what she will as you are.


So single life is pretty good.
Apparantly it's not. This woman is your only female contact. If she wasn't, you would not be even entertaining the thought of all this. The question of why my ex is ****ing someone lse, is a question a lonely man asks when he has too much time on his hand.

Make yourself go out. I run a business too man I know how it is, but you have to have balance, some resemblance of it, for mental stability. Get out hte house, go meet people, socialize, get number, spin plates and move on.


YOur ex is ****ing crazy. I mean that in the nicest way possible. No contact means no contact. cut it off for good. delete, block, all that good stuff. if she comes to your house, slam the door in her face and tell her to never come by again. Burn the damn bridge. move on. She had 2 years to show you that she was the right one for you, and she did not. You need to move on.
 

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rightcross said:
Why was she doing this? To make me angry or just to show she is moving on? It's pretty stupid.
She tried several methods to get you back, and wriggling on her hook, and they all worked.

Man, you keep stepping on her rabbit traps, and so she kept setting 'em.
I can count at least six occasions in your post when you said one thing and then did the opposite.
Incongrencies in the extreme.
No wonder she toyed with you - she knew that whatever you said would not
be followed through with consistent actions.

Her agenda was simple- she wanted to grasp control over you and inflict more hurt on you than you inflicted on her when you dumped her..

Don't know how much hurt she inflicted on you, but she certainly had you dangling like a puppet.
Every tactic of her's was predictable and obvious. Your responses and reactions were naive and immature and lacked strength and conviction.
 

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Thanks for the replies. I know I messed up, but life was very hard at the time of the breakup so those stresses made it very difficult for me to deal with the break properly. I'm trying to learn from this. I've only had two dates since the breakup, but I haven't really been trying. I've been trying to get my life going good for myself as I don't think dating is going to work that well until I become a more confident person. I'm trying to build my business and I spend 10-12 hours a week doing martial arts so dating is an afterthought.
 

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My favorite part was the part where you tried to break up with her 75 times and she wouldn't let it happen and as SOON as you said "Maybe we can work on it"... BAM... she said yuo two should go through with the break-up.

Funny how that works out and she managed to pull the table cloth out from underneath you. She took a firm hold of the frame as soon as you allowed yourself to give in to her demands and then she just switched it on you.


Look...

At this point, it shouldn't matter what the hell your EX does.

And you said it's been 3 months.

I didn't know there was a grace period to not see someone else as soon as there was a break-up. How long is she supposed to wait? She's female.

The day after you two broke up, she was already making plans with some other guy or thinking of ways to get her orbiters to fall in line. Like backbreaker said: "Because she can."

What I don't get is why are you trying to analyze her behavior. She's your ex. And what worries me is that if you are sitting here typing out this long ass message where the point is to ask "Why is she doing this?" it tells me that you might not really be over her.

You said you were keeping busy and thus, had no dates.
Find time. Make time. Go out. Have fun. Stop posting about your ex. She's your ex. She's in your past. Maybe next time she'll see you with two hot smoking chicks and she'll post up on Loveshack asking WHY you are doing that.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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You're right, I'm not completely over her but I don't want to get back with her and I am trying to better myself as a person. Girls flirt with me almost anytime I go out but I really don't want a relationship right now. It would be very hard to fit in time for dates but I will try when I feel more ready. I went out last night, will go out tonight and maybe tomorrow as well. Just with friends, but I have fun and I'm not even drinking.
 

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Not to worry, it takes some people a little longer to get over an ex than others. No biggie. You will, and you wont analyze her anymore because you wont care. Eventually. And like the other posters said, who knows why she does what she does and more importantly, it really doesn't matter. Only the bottom line matters, and that is you 2 are DONE.
 

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Her cell phone is on my plan. Should I try and get the phone back or just hope she continues to pay the bill? I'm thinking maybe let her know I'm cancelling the plan on a certain date so she can get a replacement.
 

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Dear RightCross,
If you have this level of concern she is not your ex,is she?In general for you to go back will be to relearn the bitter reasons,as to why you left in the first place....Move on RC...If you think there is really something there for you,then being seen with a few Dolly Birds,is not going to harm your chances,Is it?
 

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You still care too much. If I didn't have sons still living with her, I'd give this whole board her name and address and tell you all good luck.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Found out she started dating this guy in less than a month after our breakup. I listened to that **** about getting together in the future, and how much she loved me. ****, I'm stupid.
 

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rightcross said:
Her cell phone is on my plan. Should I try and get the phone back or just hope she continues to pay the bill? I'm thinking maybe let her know I'm cancelling the plan on a certain date so she can get a replacement.
You are an idiot.

'get a replacement' PLEASE!!!!

You still want this girl and until you don't, you are just meat dangling on a hook.
 

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Never ever ever write a letter to a woman again apologising...even if you were wrong. Its even more humiliating than actually talking, the fact that you take time to sit down and say how "sorry" you were. It is so fuvcking GAY! Don't worry I have done it before, last year in fact and I still shake my head as to what a complete and utter CHUMP I was.

The best healer is TIME.
Trust me, in TIME you will forget all about her.
And for fvcksake don't get oneitis for her like I did.
She sounds like a CVNT, you hear that, a CVNT.
 

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Burroughs said:
You are an idiot.

'get a replacement' PLEASE!!!!

You still want this girl and until you don't, you are just meat dangling on a hook.
This. Drop the phone plan. Drop contact. Go date some other girls or at least pull some strange asap.

Ex's don't count and there is no friendship there. Don't believe that there is. Ignore ignore ignore ignore and move on.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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