Ever notice?

[zekko]

I've studied this DJ/seduction stuff for awhile now, as I'm sure a lot of you have. You probably think you have a leg up on the competition, don't you? But then have you ever noticed you run into a lot of guys who seem to do all these things naturally, like negs/teasing/kino/whatever? Maybe even find it a little bit frustrating? Like I've had to study all of this stuff hard just to catch up to what these guys are doing naturally?

Or is this stuff so mainstream now that most all guys know it anyway?

Second thing I've noticed is from work. I've noticed that if you put two people together of prime mating age (late teens to twenties), there's a very good chance they're going to end up being attracted to each other. It may not last long, they may not even act on it, but you can see the attraction. The guy may be AFC as can be, but the girl will often still be attracted to him. This makes me think we're overthinking this attraction thing because as often as not, nature just takes its course.

 

[radiodude]

I guess for me this stuff taught me how to let these things out naturally. It wasn't about studying and studying and then applying it like a forced activity that had to eventually become second nature on it's own.

I already had it in me. I just had to be courageous enough to let it out.

Allow this stuff to shed light on and allow you to use what you have and develop things naturally from that.

 

[jophil28]

The guy may be AFC as can be, but the girl will often still be attracted to him. This makes me think we're overthinking this attraction thing because as often as not, nature just takes its course.

True.
Not only are we overthinking this ,we are vastly overestimating the power of PUA programs and their promises.

Some of the posts here from gullible young guys are truly pathetic.

NO doubt that confidence and an aura of boldness wil get you more dates, and perhaps more sex but there are NO guarantees - ever.
What one woman will find 'cute' about you will be a major turnoff to another.

 

[slaog]

You have to view it in general terms. Theres not 1 group of DJs and another group of AFCs. Most are usually in between but more likely AFCs to some degree.


In my experiance too most guys act confident when they're out but they're still AFCs behind it all. I knew a guy who used to sleep with lots of women but he was a big AFC. He couldn't get a girlfriend.

 

[WC2]

Yeah, I know. We better.

Haha.. kidding sort of, but there's nothing like watching a natural work a room. He's not learned through books, but through experience. Talk to women. When they smile, this is good. When they laugh, even better. When they're screaming, you know they are crazy about you

 

[Jitterbug]

Yeah well Game is something other guys learned from Naturals, so it's obvious that there are guys who know the stuff without learning it from an ebook or a forum. Many of them still had to learn from some other source though - often from an older man close to them, the old-fashioned way.

However, we - who had to learn it through an ebook - do have an advantage over many Naturals. We know when we're sliding back to AFCdom, and know how to get out of it. I'm sure you know some Naturals who were awesome at first, then they got into a certain LTR and somehow got completely pvssified, having no clue what's going on.

A good Natural friend of mine, who's a 10 in look (seriously women stop him in the streets to ask random questions just to touch him) and has the best Game I've ever seen in person, is in such a LTR. He's now acting like most AFCs in oneitis.

The guy may be AFC as can be, but the girl will often still be attracted to him.

This is the best explanation of that from a guy who's a Natural learning PUA game: http://www.realassanova.com/2009/12/women-****-novelties.html

 

[zekko]

NO doubt that confidence and an aura of boldness wil get you more dates, and perhaps more sex but there are NO guarantees - ever.

If you think about, confidence and boldness will get you more dates just by the virtue of the numbers game. You will likely approach more women for dates if you are confident and bold.

However, we - who had to learn it through an ebook - do have an advantage over many Naturals. We know when we're sliding back to AFCdom, and know how to get out of it.

I agree with this. One of the advantages to studying this material is that it makes you very aware of some of the most common pitfalls you can fall into, and that makes them easier to avoid.

I think what gets me is not that I see naturals usings PUA methods (maybe without knowing it) but that I see SO MANY guys doing it. A lot of it is common sense, and a lot of it you can quick up quickly through your own experience, and a lot of it is just classic hand me down knowledge. But it seems like a lot of this stuff has entered the mainstream consciousness. Maybe these are just all natural behaviors and me knowing about it makes it easier to see what is going on. Sort of like the "being able to see through the matrix" metaphor that PUAs are so fond of.

The one thing I HAVEN'T seen a lot of guys doing is the real push/pull and indifference stuff. From what I've seen, usually if a guy likes a girl he pretty much shows it, and shows it consistently. And from what I've seen, that doesn't seem to be hurting him either.