SAN Tight stacked with 7-Keto and green tea. NYC stack would be good too if you could find it(stopped production so there's only a little stock left now). There are alot of things out there to help you get ripped...also check out Lipoderm-Y and Absolved by Avant Labs www.avantlabs.com
I agree, most ephedra free fat burners pale in comparison to their Ephedra counter parts. But if you're talking about ephedra burners, well then, VPX Liquid Clenbutrx is the way to go.
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