"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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ElStud's current position on things.

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You know what I've realized? A lot of dudes on the boards are just asspirates. That's right, asspirates. Naturals aren't asspirates. Don Juan's aint asspirates. But I say this because they analyze EVERY set, which is bad. I go into sets not giving a f*ck what happens and usually get the girls talking to me. And overall I just realized overall approaching sets and seeing how far I can go without getting rejected, is far better that going up to every set and analyzing what I might've done wrong. This has been working great. In a few sets I even opened with my arm around her without rejection.

But yeah, I also realized, walking around all day trying to get a kiss is no fun and eventually I just stopped wasting my time with that and went to go video games in the game room with my friends. This was 10x more fun than approaching sets. And yes overall approaching sets is easy... But... it's almost like I know I could K-Close a girl off the approach if I really wanted to, but I'm just too lazy.

But dude, you guys DO focus too much on getting sex. Most of you guys have the mindset "DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO GET SEX! FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION". Wait failure is not an option? Bull, any good pickup artist goes through tons of failed sets and sets that never really escalated. I also see a "You don't do it MY way, then you're wrong" strategy, which is also bullsh*t because every has a different way of gaming.

But yeah, I'm in that "sex doesn't mean much" attitude again. If I get a kiss, great! It would prove my point that kiss closing is easy. If I don't, who cares, atleast I got in good practice.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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If you're sick of cold approaching and feel that you're passed it, why don't you start trying to get phone numbers? :confused:

it's almost like I know I could K-Close a girl off the approach if I really wanted to, but I'm just too lazy.
This could be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard you say. That's like me going over to the Health and Fitness forum and saying that I know I could bench press 350 pounds, but I'm just too lazy to get in my car and drive to the gym. And keep in mind, I'm 5'10, 160 pounds.
 
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ElStud said:
You know what I've realized? A lot of dudes on the boards are just asspirates. That's right, asspirates. Naturals aren't asspirates. Don Juan's aint asspirates. But I say this because they analyze EVERY set, which is bad. I go into sets not giving a f*ck what happens and usually get the girls talking to me.
Ok, cool, congratulations. Its cool you can approach and you should be proud of that, but why do you approach? Whats the motivating factor that drives you to walk up to a group of girls and gain interest from one of them?

And overall I just realized overall approaching sets and seeing how far I can go without getting rejected, is far better that going up to every set and analyzing what I might've done wrong. This has been working great. In a few sets I even opened with my arm around her without rejection.
Once again, you have most people beat in the fact you can approach, but youre going in with a negative mindset. Dont 'see how far you can get before you get rejected,' thats the wrong way to look at a situation in which youre obviously trying to develop some sort of romantic intrest in some chick. Also, you dont have the think about boning her or getting a kiss close, your absolutist thinking is pretty much f*cking you up. Approaching a set and getting to know a girl is fine, but if you act asexual and dont show that YOURE interested its worthless. You get phone numbers to call them OR text and set something up. You have the approaching down, but it seems like after getting a number you have NO IDEA WHAT TO DO...which is why you havent kissed a girl.

But yeah, I also realized, walking around all day trying to get a kiss is no fun and eventually I just stopped wasting my time with that and went to go video games in the game room with my friends. This was 10x more fun than approaching sets. And yes overall approaching sets is easy... But... it's almost like I know I could K-Close a girl off the approach if I really wanted to, but I'm just too lazy.
Hopefully you felt like a creep walking around all day trying to open sets. If you see a girl who catches your eye, approach, otherwise just chill. Once again, its black or white with you. If youre so sure you can get a kiss close, you would do it. You need to stop thinking youre a macho man and cool it with the ego protection. If you could have sex with a girl you were interested in, you would; however, you havent so obviously youre lacking something...step one is to accept that fact, otherwise you wouldnt post here, ever.

But dude, you guys DO focus too much on getting sex. Most of you guys have the mindset "DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO GET SEX! FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION". Wait failure is not an option? Bull, any good pickup artist goes through tons of failed sets and sets that never really escalated. I also see a "You don't do it MY way, then you're wrong" strategy, which is also bullsh*t because every has a different way of gaming.
NO, you assume we have that mindset because we talk about it and dont have trouble getting it. You told me i focus on sex too much, even though i do other things. Yea, having sex IS pretty badass and i love it. I LOVE girls and asses and boobies and vaaaag. But in no way does it interfere with my day to day activities. If you could get a date and saw the possibilities of getting laid, you too would try to achieve that goal. Again, let go of your massive ego, because thats why everyone here pretty much hates you, including me.

But yeah, I'm in that "sex doesn't mean much" attitude again. If I get a kiss, great! It would prove my point that kiss closing is easy. If I don't, who cares, atleast I got in good practice.
Youre ego lurking around again? What i feel you dont understand is that you have ONE diminsion down, just one. You need to work on a MULTITUDE of things, including youre rambuncious ego. You havent got anywhere past getting a number...see a problem with that? You get a kiss close, cool. How about you have an intense make out session? How about you get a date? How about you get a girl to touch youre penis, put it in her mouth and swallow your jizz? You have a long way to go, but at least you can approach at will. But where does that get you if you cant do anything else. Its like going hunting with a gun and no bullets, cant really get sh*t done. If you werent so proud you would stop posting crap and would read about escalation and how to get a f*ckin date. I, as well as everyone else on this site, are getting tired of seeing youre dumb post every other day. Also, stop saying if people dont approach as much as you they cant give their two cents. I never approach really (i already got a girl), unless im at a bar or something...but when i do i can actually get results. AND i get girls approaching ME, so relax that ego of yours cause youre not a mack daddy.

I wish you would take my constructive critisim positively, but that ego will probably make an appearence, go figure.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Also, stop saying if people dont approach as much as you they cant give their two cents. I never approach really (i already got a girl), unless im at a bar or something...but when i do i can actually get results.
I F closed a woman on a cold approach in less than 20 minutes. How many cents is that worth???
 

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"I'm just too lazy" is such a pathetic excuse. You have over 1500 posts and you have never been in a relationship in your life, You've been kissed 1 time in your life by a hooker. Personally i think you have no hope, any girl you think has interest in you probably thinks your a loser. You hated on everyone trying to help you and got almost the whole community against you. You really need to wake up and quick lying to yourself and everyone on this discussion board. While i enjoy the entertainment your starting to be annoying.
 

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Edit: Ok, I somehow effed my post up. My responses are in the smaller quote boxes. I can't be arsed to take time to fix it.

ElStud said:
You know what I've realized? A lot of dudes on the boards are just asspirates. That's right, asspirates.
And I am guessing you consider yourself a natural? So, come on tell us the secret of your success "Nature Boy"
Naturals aren't asspirates. Don Juan's aint asspirates. But I say this because they analyze EVERY set, which is bad. I go into sets not giving a f*ck what happens and usually get the girls talking to me. And overall I just realized overall approaching sets and seeing how far I can go without getting rejected, is far better that going up to every set and analyzing what I might've done wrong. This has been working great. In a few sets I even opened with my arm around her without rejection.
You're right in some respect don't overanalyze sh1t or you'll never approach anyone. However there has to be some analyzation or you'll never learn. Would you fail a test and not study for the next one?
But yeah, I also realized, walking around all day trying to get a kiss is no fun and eventually I just stopped wasting my time with that and went to go video games in the game room with my friends. This was 10x more fun than approaching sets. And yes overall approaching sets is easy... But... it's almost like I know I could K-Close a girl off the approach if I really wanted to, but I'm just too lazy.
It's because you're only concerned with approaching the set not the end result. It's like thinking about what toppings you want on your pizza all day and in the end not ordering the pizza, because "I'm just too lazy".
But dude, you guys DO focus too much on getting sex. Most of you guys have the mindset "DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO GET SEX! FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION". Wait failure is not an option? Bull, any good pickup artist goes through tons of failed sets and sets that never really escalated. I also see a "You don't do it MY way, then you're wrong" strategy, which is also bullsh*t because every has a different way of gaming.
That is the most asinine thing I've ever heard. Why do anything if failure is an option? Imagine if after conquering Persia Alexander the great turned to his advisors and said "You know guys, I REALLY want to conquer the rest of the known world, but it's too hard! I give up! Let's go back to Greece."

Yes, people fail at everything. But that does not mean they went into it thinking that it was just as acceptable to fail.
But yeah, I'm in that "sex doesn't mean much" attitude again. If I get a kiss, great! It would prove my point that kiss closing is easy. If I don't, who cares, atleast I got in good practice.
How are you going to set out to prove that kiss closing is easy? I mean you've kissed one person and it was a HOOKER! And who are you going to prove that to? If you answer anyone but yourself, you're wrong.

You have a lot of work to do on yourself before you should even consider talking to another girl.
 

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You know, El-Stud actually has a good point here.

Getting to know girls personally is a lot more fun then just hooking up, talking them into sex, and then leaving as they cry afterwards. Some guys on here actually pride themselves on that.

The thing is, though, you can't approach them as a "player", or you will get a lot of rejection, and rightly so. You have to approach them as a person. So making up "openers" and trying to get kisses from strangers on the street will not work nearly as well as simply talking with them in a flirty way.

I hope you can use this advice El Stud.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Mods, just close this thread. We know where it's going.
 
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So, this is your current position on things.

ElStud for president !!! You've got my vote!
 
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