Eckhart Tolle

[Interceptor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9lY7_hCGA&mode=related&search=

Very interesting and eye opening commentary by Tolle regarding reactions, and identity/Self.

 

[Interceptor]

Related video by Adyashanti

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiFwquTtuIY

 

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Cool, I have been getting way into this author.

 

[squirrels]

http://www.ecomall.com/greenshopping/powerofnow.htm

"The Power of Now" is in my library. Very enlightening perspective.

 

[Interceptor]

Just wanted to add that I put it in here in the MM forum becasue I was pretty sure you guys would appreciate it rather than out there with the ADD kiddies.

Anyway, I feel that a spiritual side is necessary to achieve happiness in life, and is in alignment with the ideals of a true Don Juan. Peoper balance is the root of a good life, and it does help us in achieving a life with purpose.

These guys offer some insight that helps us gain better insight ourselves, and have a better perspective of what goes on inside of us and arounhd us. Very important subjects to deal with.

 

[Interceptor]

Tolle defines the "pain body" as follows:

"The pain-body is an energy field, almost like an entity, that
has become lodged in your inner space. It is life energy that has
become trapped, energy that is no longer flowing.

Of course, the pain-body is there because of certain things that
happened in the past. It is the living part of you, and you identify
with the past.

A victim identity is the belief that the past is more powerful
than the present, which is the opposite of the truth. It is the
belief that other people and what they did to you are responsible
for who you are now, for your emotional pain or your inability to
be your true self.

The truth is that the only power there is, is contained within
this moment: it is the power of your presence.".

 

[aliasguy]

Tolle defines the "pain body" as follows:

"The pain-body is an energy field, almost like an entity, that
has become lodged in your inner space. It is life energy that has
become trapped, energy that is no longer flowing.

Of course, the pain-body is there because of certain things that
happened in the past. It is the living part of you, and you identify
with the past.

A victim identity is the belief that the past is more powerful
than the present, which is the opposite of the truth. It is the
belief that other people and what they did to you are responsible
for who you are now, for your emotional pain or your inability to
be your true self.

The truth is that the only power there is, is contained within
this moment: it is the power of your presence.".

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Any guy who talks about life, and uses the term "energy field" is off my list of credible "gurus."

More new-age B.S. I don't care HOW good the rest of his cr*p sounds.


"Energy fields." Right.



I left my pyramid in the closet last week instead of under my bed, and I forgot to wear my magic crystal next my heart for the last few days.

(But I still got LAID!!)

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Any guy who talks about life, and uses the term "energy field" is off my list of credible "gurus."

I'm sure that if he were to know that, he would feel very crushed inside.

The pain body is real. It's all the crap you've built up your entire life, and you do carry it around in you. It's usually called stress, anxiety, worry. And you can FEEL it, because your thoughts about things create the feelings you have. So your body is feeling some pain, I think stress would count as pain. Most people choose to not face it, and they may cover it up when they feel it with drugs, alcohol, sex, escapism, whatever. The idea is if you can be aware what's going on in your mind/body, and aren't distracting yourself by destroying yourself, you're in a better position to realize it's only your thoughts doing this to you, it's your thoughts creating all the stress and crap in your life. Once you face it, you see that it's just the way you feel now. You can do something about it, and it starts with being aware of what's actually happening to you.

Not to get too "New Age" though. :crazy:

 

[aliasguy]

I'm sure that if he were to know that, he would feel very crushed inside.

The pain body is real. It's all the crap you've built up your entire life, and you do carry it around in you. It's usually called stress, anxiety, worry. And you can FEEL it, because your thoughts about things create the feelings you have. So your body is feeling some pain, I think stress would count as pain. Most people choose to not face it, and they may cover it up when they feel it with drugs, alcohol, sex, escapism, whatever. The idea is if you can be aware what's going on in your mind/body, and aren't distracting yourself by destroying yourself, you're in a better position to realize it's only your thoughts doing this to you, it's your thoughts creating all the stress and crap in your life. Once you face it, you see that it's just the way you feel now. You can do something about it, and it starts with being aware of what's actually happening to you.

Not to get too "New Age" though. :crazy:

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I don't care if he's "crushed" or not. I'm sure that he really doesn't CARE what I think.

He's taking money from folks, and he's describing "energy fields." I've heard enough.


"Energy fields".... what does that even MEAN????




I don't care about how pain affects him or you, or me. I know about pain, and about how it "attaches" to each of us. SO WHAT?

He's a huckster, just like all the other new age charlatans.



more B.S.


Yes, indeed, everyone feels pain, but Mr. Tolle has no more answers than any of his snakeoil salesman competitors.


I call shenanigans!!!!!!



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[ketostix]

I agree with alias. This is just a bunch of flowery and good sounding words with no substance. For one thing to say anyone has emotional pain only because of his thoughts and just changing thoughts and bam problem solved is simplistic. That's akin to saying someone has hunger pains only because they believe they're hungry, so the solution is to just stop thinking your hungry! Never mind you'll still perish from starvation anyway.

How a person thinks or feels my have an influence on reality and vice versa (he doesn't acknowledge it's a 2 way street), but there's a real reality and it's independent of whatever one may think or feel.

 

[Bonez]

ADD is a made up expression voted upon by the american psychological association. It cannot be proven.

On the other hand though, if it can be felt and appreciated, who's to argue against it?

Tolle came up with the idea for the Amazing Race, and that show rocked. Enough said?

 

[aliasguy]

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And, that mathematician in A Beautiful Mind came up with whatever good sh*t he came up with, but he was STILL schizophrenic.

Enough said???

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[reset]

There's no way you can prove any of this stuff. People have experiences that lead them to think one way or the other. As someone who used to get very self-righteous about debunking anything spritual or "otherworldy" myself, I can relate. At some point I stopped caring why other people thought what they did. Don't see the point. If someone has something that gives meaning to them, where is the threat in that to you personally?

There's people on this site like myself who now do believe there is more than meets the eye in life. Everyone has the right to bash or make fun of someone else's beliefs, but from my experience, the ones that do that, have some baggage regarding the topic. There's a reason they can't stop trying to tear it down, because they haven't made peace with themselves regarding whatever topic it is. Otherwise they wouldn't even bother.

At least in my case, that's how it was when I was overly active on atheist message boards, spending countless hours debating believers and doing my best to prove them wrong. I had unresolved issues. Once I KNEW, without a doubt, that I was RIGHT, I stopped caring about their beliefs. Their belief lost all the power it had over me, and my need to debate about it, basically stopped.

By doing that, I was more free to be open minded and create my own belief system. And by doing that I was less threatened by others. Not saying I don't still like a good debate, but it doesn't matter to me as much, or at least, not for the same reasons.

BTW I have bought two books from Tolle, And I've read the Power of Now about three times so far. It has helped me be more relaxed, given me a healthier perspective, and I am much happier. And no money was taken from me, I paid gladly. I may give it away to someone, and buy another one. It's only money.

 

[aliasguy]

There's no way you can prove any of this stuff. People have experiences that lead them to think one way or the other. As someone who used to get very self-righteous about debunking anything spritual or "otherworldy" myself, I can relate. At some point I stopped caring why other people thought what they did. Don't see the point. If someone has something that gives meaning to them, where is the threat in that to you personally?

There's people on this site like myself who now do believe there is more than meets the eye in life. Everyone has the right to bash or make fun of someone else's beliefs, but from my experience, the ones that do that, have some baggage regarding the topic. There's a reason they can't stop trying to tear it down, because they haven't made peace with themselves regarding whatever topic it is. Otherwise they wouldn't even bother.

At least in my case, that's how it was when I was overly active on atheist message boards, spending countless hours debating believers and doing my best to prove them wrong. I had unresolved issues. Once I KNEW, without a doubt, that I was RIGHT, I stopped caring about their beliefs. By doing that, I was more free to be open minded and create my own belief system. And by doing that I was less threatened by others.

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yeah, reset, it's all good.

whatever gets you through the night.


I'm just saying, don't send any MONEY to this new-age clown.


I'm not invested in him being wrong, but you seem to have a lot invested in him being RIGHT.


Whatever.



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I don't know if he's right. Reading his stuff has helped me. Makes sense to me so I go with it.

If you actaully are INTERESTED in this topic, and actually read his book, you would see that he's basically saying the same things that have been said for thousands of years. There's nothing "new" in it. New to me, or you, yeah. But if you're familiar with stuff like the Tao, Zen, Buddhism, Gnostic Christianity, things that are really OLD... you'd see it's the same stuff, just with today's words.

 

[aliasguy]

I don't know if he's right. Reading his stuff has helped me. Makes sense to me so I go with it.

If you actaully are INTERESTED in this topic, and actually read his book, you would see that he's basically saying the same things that have been said for thousands of years. There's nothing "new" in it. New to me, or you, yeah. But if you're familiar with stuff like the Tao, Zen, Buddhism, Gnostic Christianity, things that are really OLD... you'd see it's the same stuff, just with today's words.

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Then I'll stick with the classics, and not with some dude with his hat out, talking about "energy fields," thanks.


What ARE "energy fields," anywayz?


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[reset]

Read the tao for free online. Same thing.

Everything is energy. Thoughts, matter, feelings, ideas, whatever. It's all energy. How you interpret that is up to you.

 

[squirrels]

THere's nothing "otherworldly" about Eckhart Tolle. In fact, just the opposite. He practically insists that you focus your attention on THIS world, THIS time. If you think it's "otherworldly", you missed the point.

This is another piece of knowledge that most people are just not ready to hear. Not that it hurts to hear it...it gets you looking in the right direction. But everyone wants to make it out to be something "magic" or "special".

It's not. It's not mysticism. There's no "magic power" to it. But it IS very powerful mentally and spiritually.

It's the same way everyone seems to think that the things discussed on this forum are "tricks" or "techniques" like some kind of secret kung-fu special moves straight out of Street Fighter II. They're not.

 

[ketostix]

Read the tao for free online. Same thing.

Everything is energy. Thoughts, matter, feelings, ideas, whatever. It's all energy. How you interpret that is up to you.

A gallon of Gasoline and a cheeseburger both represents energy too, but what usefulness is that statement? Is drinking gasoline the same thing as eating a cheeseburger as long as my intepretation is the same?

 

[aliasguy]

Read the tao for free online. Same thing.

Everything is energy. Thoughts, matter, feelings, ideas, whatever. It's all energy. How you interpret that is up to you.

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Ok. Man, I've read the Tao Te Ching, and I have MANY translations of it in my home. And, to be honest, i think it's about the closest thing I've found to "scripture," BUT, it's just WORDS.


I DON'T buy the Bullsh*t claim that EVERYTHING is "energy." what the HELL does THAT mean? EXPLAIN.

EXPLICITLY.

REALLY, MAN.

CAN YOU?????



And, your buddy Tolle is just a poser, writing books and looking for CASH. That's REALLY what I think. How does HE represent Taoism?????? Clue us IN!!!


He's a HACK!!! Convince me otherwise.



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